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					Originally Posted by  blackthroatedwind
					 
				 
				I am giving you numbers, while you are saying there is a "good chance," yet you are saying my thoughts are arbitrary. 
 
This is actually a good discussion. You can't say you think some odds, any odds, are reasonable, without at least thinking it through mathematically. 
 
Stop it? Seriously? That's a response to a contrary side to an argument? 
			
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 Handicapping horses is not empirical math. You know this. You're being purposefully pedantic. It's about finding your estimation of relative value in a certain pool. If there were a parlay Gotham/Wood/Derby bet, you may be right that that would be better value than the future bet. But relative to the other future propositions, I think El Areeb is good value.