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Kasept 08-04-2022 05:51 PM

8/5-7 (KEE): Breeder's Cup Classic Future Wager ~ Pool 1
 
Flightline listed as Breeders' Cup Classic Future Wager favorite

Matt Hegarty | Aug 04, 2022

Flightline, the undefeated 4-year-old who romped to victory in the Metropolitan Mile in his only start this year, has been listed as the 3-1 morning-line favorite for the Breeders’ Cup Classic future pool, which opens on Friday.

Flightline is one of 24 betting interests in the Classic future wager, along with 22 other individual horses and an “all-others” option. Betting will close at 7:30 p.m. Eastern on Sunday.

Flightline, who is being pointed to the Sept. 3 Pacific Classic, is being listed as a narrow favorite over Life Is Good, 7-2 on the morning line. Next up is Olympiad, the 4-year-old colt riding a five-race win streak, at 9-2. Every other single horse in the field is listed at double-digits.

Four of the horses in the future-wager field are entered to run in Saturday’s Whitney Stakes: Life Is Good, Olympiad, Hot Rod Charlie (20-1), and Americanrevolution (20-1).

Americanrevolution (20-1),
Charge It (15-1),
Corniche (30-1),
Country Grammar (20-1),
Cyberknife (30-1),
Dynamic One (30-1),
Early Voting (20-1),
Flightline (3-1),
Emblem Road (30-1),
Epicenter (20-1),
Express Train (30-1),
First Captain (30-1),
Hot Rod Charlie (20-1),
Life Is Good (7-2),
Mandaloun (30-1),
Nest (20-1),
Olympiad (9-2),
Rich Strike (30-1),
Royal Ship (30-1),
Stilleto Boy (30-1),
Taiba (30-1),
Tawny Port (30-1),
Zandon (30-1),
“AllOthers” 30-1.

This weekend’s Classic future-wager pool is the first of two scheduled this year for the race. The other will open on Sept. 2 and close on Sept. 5, Labor Day.

The minimum wager is $2, and takeout is 16 percent.

Kasept 08-06-2022 07:28 AM


moses 08-06-2022 01:17 PM

Why is Corniche included and why is anyone wagering any money on him?

cal828 08-07-2022 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1168259)
Why is Corniche included and why is anyone wagering any money on him?

Corniche 61-1 on Xpressbet. Stilletto Boy has the longest odds right now of 87-1. Epicenter 7-1, but the horse that beat him in the Derby Rich Strike 25-1.

freddymo 08-07-2022 06:25 PM

I don't think Life is Good should even run in the Classic or Olympiad, for that matter.

King Glorious 08-07-2022 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1168378)
I don't think Life is Good should even run in the Classic or Olympiad, for that matter.

Where would you like to see Life is Good run? If it's not the Classic, is the Dirt Mile your choice? Unless Flightline is in that race, I don't know if I want to see Life is Good win that race in another romp. I doubt Jackie's Warrior would be stretched out that far. I suppose Jack Christopher and Early Voting could be pointed in that direction and that could make for an interesting race but I still think Life is Good wins fairly easily. The only matchup out there that I really want to see is him vs Flightline.

freddymo 08-08-2022 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1168388)
Where would you like to see Life is Good run? If it's not the Classic, is the Dirt Mile your choice? Unless Flightline is in that race, I don't know if I want to see Life is Good win that race in another romp. I doubt Jackie's Warrior would be stretched out that far. I suppose Jack Christopher and Early Voting could be pointed in that direction and that could make for an interesting race but I still think Life is Good wins fairly easily. The only matchup out there that I really want to see is him vs Flightline.

Who knows if Flight Risk will make the race, he runs by appointment only. Life is Good doesn't want 10f's, so a BC Mile and Pegasus seems like a better use of his horsepower. Olympiad ran pretty bad IMO, maybe it was just a one-off bad day, or perhaps he was off form? that said, he offered little. More distance for him doesn't appear to be a good idea.

RolloTomasi 08-08-2022 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1168394)
Who knows if Flight Risk will make the race, he runs by appointment only. Life is Good doesn't want 10f's, so a BC Mile and Pegasus seems like a better use of his horsepower. Olympiad ran pretty bad IMO, maybe it was just a one-off bad day, or perhaps he was off form? that said, he offered little. More distance for him doesn't appear to be a good idea.

After Flightline loses the Pacific Classic, all 3 should target the Kelso to put on the race we should have seen in the Met Mile. Might even boost the Kelso into Grade 1 status.

But the reality is that Flightline will go to the Awesome Again ahead of retirement or an unplacing in the Classic.

Life is Good will go to the Woodward ahead of an unplacing in the Classic.

Olympiad will go the Lukas Classic ahead of a last ditch effort for a Grade 1 win in the Clark ahead of retirement.

Only a matter of time before trainers in Japan and the Godolphin/Appleby juggernaut set their sights on the perennial easy pickings in the US dirt races. The turf races here are tougher nowadays...

blackthroatedwind 08-08-2022 07:58 AM

The Kelso is now in late October.

You're slipping.

RolloTomasi 08-08-2022 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1168398)
The Kelso is now in late October.

You're slipping.

Lately I've been easier pickings than US dirt races.

Now that I actually did my due diligence, I see the Vosburgh is back to 7 furlongs. Now they just need to bring back the Boojum.

Life is Good would get champion sprinter and older horse with a canny late season campaign. Only dilemma would be which prep to use for the Cigar Mile, the Kelso or the Bold Ruler?

freddymo 08-08-2022 08:45 AM

Woodward BC Mile Cigar for Life is Good work for me. Win two of those three, and they could retire him, but I guess they will look to finish in the Donn. He is a very cool horse. That is the type of horse that excites fans. I don't need him Country Grammer or Dynamic One etc. to get the best of him in the final strides of the Classic. I don't see how that is awesome save-betting against him.

Olympiad should target the Cigar for his G1.

Flight Risk? who knows with him? Let me see make the pp's

RolloTomasi 08-08-2022 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1168400)
He is a very cool horse. That is the type of horse that excites fans.

Read: All it takes to excite fans these days are a couple of open lengths wins in short fields of dubious quality from an unsound speedball with no stamina.

Just imagine Housebuster in this era of disposable "super horses"...

Quote:

I don't need him Country Grammer or Dynamic One etc. to get the best of him in the final strides of the Classic.
Read: I don't need him to get exposed lest my excitement dissipates over the 39 seconds it will take him to see out the final 3 furlongs of a 10 furlong race.

When you consider the prospects of Grade 3 horses like Country Grammar & Dynamic One in the Classic (and furthermore previous winners like Volponi, Vino Rosso, Drosselmeyer, etc), you probably made a compelling argument for the suits to cut the Classic to 9 furlongs.

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I don't see how that is awesome save-betting against him.
Read: Rather than successfully handicapping the most likely outcome I'd rather drink the Kool-Aid that WinStar offers me till they move onto the next one.

Poor Life is Good, he'd actually have to validate his bloated reputation by winning a race of some consequence over a true classic distance.

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Olympiad should target the Cigar for his G1.
Olympiad doesn't deserve to win a Grade 1 win if he can't even maintain form over Happy Saver.

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Flight Risk? who knows with him? Let me see make the pp's
One of the worst managed quality horses of all time. At the very least should have had a similar campaign as Rail Trip back in 2009.

To be fair, Stilleto Boy did beat Express Train in a 3-horse field in a prep for the Gold Cup (which itself was one by an allowance horse) so I guess it probably means Flightline could have won those.

Oh, and Baby Yoda (conquerer of Grade 1 winner-in-waiting Olympiad) won a couple of starter allowances this year, so there's that...

King Glorious 08-08-2022 06:11 PM

While I can definitely understand having doubts about Flightline and Life is Good's ability to successfully get 10f in top company, I at least want to feel like there is actually a horse capable of taking advantage of their weaknesses. For Flightline in the upcoming Pacific Classic and Life is Good in the Woodward, I just don't see it.

Kasept 08-08-2022 06:23 PM


Dahoss 08-08-2022 06:42 PM

Imagine taking 2-1 on Flightline this far out?

freddymo 08-08-2022 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1168436)
Imagine taking 2-1 on Flightline this far out?

cant make it up

blackthroatedwind 08-08-2022 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1168436)
Imagine taking 2-1 on Flightline this far out?

What are the chances he makes the race? If he does, will he be higher or lower than 2:1?

It's beyond insane.

freddymo 08-09-2022 07:38 AM

Read: All it takes to excite fans these days are a couple of open lengths wins in short fields of dubious quality from an unsound speedball with no stamina.

Just imagine Housebuster in this era of disposable "super horses"...


Save the preps for the Derby; stakes racing isn't particularly interesting for the most part (on dirt). Too many stakes, too few owners that compete on such a level, and too few foals. Plus, the owners cooperate with one another vs. compete.

I worked with Levy's brother-in-law at Lehman brothers. He had a great picture of Housebuster after winning the Kings Bishop

freddymo 08-09-2022 07:44 AM

Read: I don't need him to get exposed lest my excitement dissipates over the 39 seconds it will take him to see out the final 3 furlongs of a 10 furlong race.

When you consider the prospects of Grade 3 horses like Country Grammar & Dynamic One in the Classic (and furthermore previous winners like Volponi, Vino Rosso, Drosselmeyer, etc), you probably made a compelling argument for the suits to cut the Classic to 9 furlongs.


I saw Life as Good well at GP, so the track at SPA "MAY" Have something to do with it? I don't think he wants any part of 10f's, and to be fair, Dynamic One may become Happy Saver. LOL

moses 08-09-2022 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1168436)
Imagine taking 2-1 on Flightline this far out?

That’s unbelievable.


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