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declansharbor 11-16-2006 10:36 PM
not to beat a dead horse but, ...
 
just got done watching that crime otherwise known as the Belmont Stakes 2004. The jockeys on RHTen and EDDIngton (eddington esp.) shouldve been stripped of their liscense to ride in NY..Smarty's preakness ranks in the top three races i have ever witnessed, as his dominance was well displayed..Stewie shouldve known that the "top tier" jockeys werent gonna let a drunken 5k claimer jock win the TC, a feat that neither of them have achieved..Smarty was a once in a lifetime horse and its a damn shame that it had to end like that..Absolutely pitiful..Who should take the brunt of the blame here??

1st_Saturday_in_May 11-16-2006 10:48 PM
Ive blamed Bailey since the moment the race ended.

A brief look at Eddington's PPs tells a lot to me. Bailey, Eddington's rider in 6 of 8 career starts including the Preakness, Belmont, Wood, and Gotham was not aboard again in his career after this debacle. Perhaps he had other engagements and that pissed Hennig off, but I dont think thats the case. I dont know for sure, perhaps someone more knowledable can tell me I'm wrong, but it seems VERY strange to me that Bailey wouldnt be back aboard.

I'll always view this as like you said...a crime.

SniperSB23 11-16-2006 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by declansharbor
just got done watching that crime otherwise known as the Belmont Stakes 2004. The jockeys on RHTen and EDDIngton (eddington esp.) shouldve been stripped of their liscense to ride in NY..Smarty's preakness ranks in the top three races i have ever witnessed, as his dominance was well displayed..Stewie shouldve known that the "top tier" jockeys werent gonna let a drunken 5k claimer jock win the TC, a feat that neither of them have achieved..Smarty was a once in a lifetime horse and its a damn shame that it had to end like that..Absolutely pitiful..Who should take the brunt of the blame here??
Smarty should. He couldn't even beat Birdstone.

declansharbor 11-16-2006 11:01 PM
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Smarty should. He couldn't even beat Birdstone.
U just summed up ur knowledge in a brisk 7 words..WOW, how stupid could u be Beltway sniper?? Secrateriat lost a few times, does that make the horses that beat him better?? U know nothing nimwit, u should turn ur brain in for scientific research..I bet u look like the geico cavemen...U made me sick with ur numbskull statements.. U r the weakest link, good bye

SniperSB23 11-16-2006 11:06 PM
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U just summed up ur knowledge in a brisk 7 words..WOW, how stupid could u be Beltway sniper?? Secrateriat lost a few times, does that make the horses that beat him better?? U know nothing nimwit, u should turn ur brain in for scientific research..I bet u look like the geico cavemen...U made me sick with ur numbskull statements.. U r the weakest link, good bye
And you just summed up your knowledge in a few lines of gibberish. Well done. Smarty was a great miler that was so talented he could stretch his ability out to ten furlongs. He really had no business winning the Belmont Stakes but showed great heart in his loss. Stop trying to blame everyone else for that loss. He just wasn't meant to go a mile and a half.

declansharbor 11-16-2006 11:10 PM
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And you just summed up your knowledge in a few lines of gibberish. Well done. Smarty was a great miler that was so talented he could stretch his ability out to ten furlongs. He really had no business winning the Belmont Stakes but showed great heart in his loss. Stop trying to blame everyone else for that loss. He just wasn't meant to go a mile and a half.
YOKAY!! Get ur peepers checked pal.. A great miler???lay the pipe down as well

SniperSB23 11-16-2006 11:12 PM
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YOKAY!! Get ur peepers checked pal.. A great miler???lay the pipe down as well
Is tomorrow a school holiday? Otherwise you should probably get to bed. Your handle betrays your ignorance (as if your posts don't do that well enough on their own).

declansharbor 11-16-2006 11:18 PM
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Is tomorrow a school holiday? Otherwise you should probably get to bed. Your handle betrays your ignorance (as if your posts don't do that well enough on their own).
I'll just wait until the ones with real insight log on tomorrow..U aint worth the short hairs on my nuts..Its kinda funny though, knowing that I'm 23 and my knowledge superceeds yours..Thanks for the confidence boost, now give the guy back his laptop, roll up the windows to ur home, an 84 pacer..Its gonna be a cold one.

SniperSB23 11-16-2006 11:24 PM
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I'll just wait until the ones with real insight log on tomorrow..U aint worth the short hairs on my nuts..Its kinda funny though, knowing that I'm 23 and my knowledge superceeds yours..Thanks for the confidence boost, now give the guy back his laptop, roll up the windows to ur home, an 84 pacer..Its gonna be a cold one.
OK, you do that, I'm sure those with "real insight" will be happily chiming in tomorrow to say that Smarty was a "once in a lifetime horse". :rolleyes:

declansharbor 11-16-2006 11:29 PM
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I don't know man. His belmont was an amzing performance, and it still kind of surprises me that people don't see it. Look at the two horses he dueled into defeat. Each multiple grade 1 winners, and where did they finish? He had every right to chuck it in like they did, and he fought tooth and nail. Why do you say he wasn't meant to go a mile and a half, because he ran second? If Bailey and Solis don't go kamikaze, he probably sets a much slower pace, and wins for fun. Look at it, Rock Hard ten ran awful in that race, was he meant to get a mile and a half? I guess it's good for horses that they don't know how far they are "meant" to go.
Snipers just pissed off at the world..Either that or he was dumb enough to lay money on SJ BElmont day.. So Solis was that criminal on RHT..I try to tell my friends about this all the time, and they just think i'm crying "conspiracy theory". Bailey and Solis didn't want Stewie to win the TC, and that became obvious down the backstretch of a mile and a half race..They knew their horses stood no chance to cross the wire first..Isnt that criminal, to ride a race, giving ur horse zero shot of winning??

blackthroatedwind 11-16-2006 11:29 PM
Now, cynic that I am, when a thread like this pops up I get the distinct feeling that someone is just trying to start trouble, as there really is no bigger internet hot-spot that a Smarmy Jones debate. It also seems these kind of threads are invariably started by someone with a handful of posts.

Jeez.....the race was 2 1/2 years ago....there are 47,863 threads on various other boards about it....do we really need another one.

Next!

SniperSB23 11-16-2006 11:32 PM
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I don't know man. His belmont was an amzing performance, and it still kind of surprises me that people don't see it. Look at the two horses he dueled into defeat. Each multiple grade 1 winners, and where did they finish? He had every right to chuck it in like they did, and he fought tooth and nail. Why do you say he wasn't meant to go a mile and a half, because he ran second? If Bailey and Solis don't go kamikaze, he probably sets a much slower pace, and wins for fun. Look at it, Rock Hard ten ran awful in that race, was he meant to get a mile and a half? I guess it's good for horses that they don't know how far they are "meant" to go.
Neither of those horses were G1 winners at that point nor was Eddington a mulitple G1 winner at any point. Don't make the mistake of comparing Derby horses with their abilities a year later. Rock Hard Ten had no business going 12 furlongs as well. He was best at 9 but talented enough to win at 10.

SniperSB23 11-16-2006 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Now, cynic that I am, when a thread like this pops up I get the distinct feeling that someone is just trying to start trouble, as there really is no bigger internet hot-spot that a Smarmy Jones debate. It also seems these kind of threads are invariably started by someone with a handful of posts.

Jeez.....the race was 2 1/2 years ago....there are 47,863 threads on various other boards about it....do we really need another one.

Next!
You are probably right. Declansharbor has St Johns education written all over him.

declansharbor 11-16-2006 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Now, cynic that I am, when a thread like this pops up I get the distinct feeling that someone is just trying to start trouble, as there really is no bigger internet hot-spot that a Smarmy Jones debate. It also seems these kind of threads are invariably started by someone with a handful of posts.

Jeez.....the race was 2 1/2 years ago....there are 47,863 threads on various other boards about it....do we really need another one.

Next!
than go reply to them buddy..Don't waste ur time with a novice like myself..Just because u own a horse or two, doesnt make u privy to the price of peanuts....BTW, i wasnt starting trouble, i wanted to know if people thought the same way i do, so i can show my friends i'm not making this up..
so go next urself ya needle

declansharbor 11-16-2006 11:37 PM
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You are probably right. Declansharbor has St Johns education written all over him.
dREXEL BUDDY, AND U? CCNY?

SniperSB23 11-16-2006 11:42 PM
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Why exactly did RHT have no business going 12 furlongs?
Mainly based on the fact that his figures at 9 furlongs were always better than at 10. He just never struck me as a 12 furlong horse in the least. I know Saint Liam ran out west against him and lost but ignoring that aspect (which I think it is fair since he didn't run well) I have a tough time getting too excited when the only 10 furlong race you win is over Congrats and Borrego.

SniperSB23 11-16-2006 11:45 PM
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dREXEL BUDDY, AND U? CCNY?
University of Rochester. Why am I not shocked you went to school in Philly?


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