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casp0555 08-18-2016 05:12 PM

Conquest Stables Selling Out
 
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/bl...land-november/

Wow...citing personal reasons

Easy Goer Otis 08-19-2016 09:12 AM

A shame. Hate to see major investors in racing bow out. Especially one as successful and ambitious as this stable.

I wish Mr. Semersky all the best and congratulate him on his considerable accomplishments in the sport.

Otis

South Beach Luv 08-19-2016 09:11 PM

Conquest Enforcer's sale price about to go up after tomorrow. Will be a shame if Casse loses him.

jnunan4759 08-19-2016 10:33 PM

The naming policy will devalue them a bit. Never understood that. Most people subscribe to the axiom that it is bad luck to rename a horse, much like a boat.

I guess it's branding, but now. You have 150 horses named for a defuct entity. Similar to all those Karakorum horses. Well ďifferents, but the same inways.

Just name them as horses and anyone can go on with them.

ateamstupid 08-20-2016 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jnunan4759 (Post 1074187)
The naming policy will devalue them a bit. Never understood that. Most people subscribe to the axiom that it is bad luck to rename a horse, much like a boat.

I guess it's branding, but now. You have 150 horses named for a defuct entity. Similar to all those Karakorum horses. Well ďifferents, but the same inways.

Just name them as horses and anyone can go on with them.

You're suggesting that people will be less likely to by a fast horse because of its name?

RHT2004 08-20-2016 01:05 PM

Conquest horse just jogged at Woodbine.

skyfire 08-20-2016 04:47 PM

When you put "Conquest"'in every horse's name, you are letting the world know that your goal is to dominate.

At great expense, these folks did not.

In his words a few years ago:

Ernie in DSF:
http://www.drf.com/news/conquest-sta...r-racing-world

10/03/2014 2:19PM
Conquest Stables out to conquer racing world
By Marcus Hersh

"I looked at this like an IPO [an initial public offering of a publicly traded company],” he said. “You have to front-load the business. I front-loaded it quickly and heavily. I
thought we’d start with the racing and establish a reputation for what Conquest is and hopefully develop some Conquest stallions out of that. I really believe, when you look at all the variables, if you get a few great broodmares, have enough horses that can run, and win races, I think you can make money with it. That wasn’t the goal, but the goal wasn’t to lose money, either.”

His own word

jnunan4759 08-21-2016 12:22 PM

That is why at the yearling sales and also 2YO sales most of the horses aren't named. People want to name the horse they've spent money for. Any consignor will tell you that, they told me if I was selling it to not name it.

With claimers it's a different story, names are almost never changed.

People who don't care will bid, those who do won't.

Scav 08-21-2016 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jnunan4759 (Post 1074466)
That is why at the yearling sales and also 2YO sales most of the horses aren't named. People want to name the horse they've spent money for. Any consignor will tell you that, they told me if I was selling it to not name it.

With claimers it's a different story, names are almost never changed.

People who don't care will bid, those who do won't.

Names CAN NOT be changed of horses that have already run, unless it is something that slipped through the registry, like years ago a horse in California had its named changed after running

FYI, a name change is like $200 I think, so a name change is not going to be scaring anyone away from bidding on a horse. As long as the horse hasn't run, you can change the name a million times, for a fee per time.

Merlinsky 08-22-2016 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 1074507)
Names CAN NOT be changed of horses that have already run, unless it is something that slipped through the registry, like years ago a horse in California had its named changed after running

FYI, a name change is like $200 I think, so a name change is not going to be scaring anyone away from bidding on a horse. As long as the horse hasn't run, you can change the name a million times, for a fee per time.

Well, no, it can be changed post-start of racing career, but it's just not easy to do. Sounds like you're gonna have to really have a good reason other than 'Eh, I don't like it.' Doesn't say what that reason is so I suspect they wanna have leeway to just go 'nope.' I'm sure reasons have included realization of something offensive or legally problematic after the fact. Per the Jockey Club's site under rule 6 (relevant part in bold):
Quote:

D. A foal's name may be changed at any time prior to starting in its first race. Ordinarily, no name change will be permitted after a horse has started in its first race or has been used for breeding purposes. However, in the event a name must be changed after a horse has started in its first race, both the old and new names should be used until the horse has raced three times following the name change. The prescribed fee (see Fee Schedule) and the Certificate of Foal Registration must accompany any request to the Registry Office for a change of name.
As for the cost of a name change, I think you're giving too little credit to some people being weirdly superstitious about it. Not everybody is, but I guarantee you there are plenty that identify with the 'don't change the name of a boat' thing.

Sightseek 08-22-2016 11:42 PM

They have had some nice horses and an interesting social media presence. Too bad they are getting out of the game.


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