Lost in the Fog vs Bernardini
 

Compared to this point in time last year (i.e. Fog 05 vs Bern 06), who had the best career? I don't see much difference between the much maligned LITF and the much praised Bernardini. One could equally claim neither defeated a good field of 3yos, both defeated a really small, weak field of older horses as a prep to the BC races, and even their Beyer figs and margins of victory are similar. Yet many of the Bernardini goo-goos on various forums I attend were really harsh critics of Fog. If Bernardini throws a clunker in the BC Classic, their careers will basically be identical except Fog traveled more, was undefeated and raced a couple more times.

You cant compare the Withers, Preakness, Jim Dandy, Travers, and Jockey Club Gold cup with the Kings Bishop, Riva Ridge, Sunshine millions and Carry Back.

I defer
 

wholeheartedly

Enough Said

You cant compare those races, but you can compare greatness. I think LITF was great, but he never got to show it. Im sure his career tailing off had to do with his illness. Had he not been strickened with a horrible disease that horse could have been any kind. Just as Bernardini could be any kind, unfortunately we wont get to see that either, as hes being retired. Its a hard pill to swallow to see Bernardini retired in the wake of all that has happened. You know Harry Aelo would have raced Bernardini and shared it with the world. I wish he would have had the chance to share LITF greatness with us all as well.

The idea is not to determine which was the best horse between the two. I feel sure the 3yo Fog would smoke the 3yo Bern at 6fl, and Bern would smoke Fog going two turns. The point I was trying to make is that Fog was severely criticised by many on several forums for "beating nothing". Why aren't those same folks saying the same about Bernardini? In fact, many of Fog's critics are hailing Barnardini as the next coming. From a purely objective point of view (Fog as a sprinter and Bernardini as a router), I see little difference between the success of their respective 3yo careers going into the BC races.

I disagree completely. I think u can compare the schedules. If u are a 3yo sprinter, what bigger races are there to run in in the division besides the King's Bishop (the only grade one), the Riva Ridge, and the Carry Back? It's not Fog's fault that that grading committee doesn't see fit to have more grade one races for 3yo's. The truth of the matter is that those races are every bit as important for a sprinter as the Withers, Jim Dandy, and Travers are.

There is a bias against sprinters in this country. Just like there is a bias against fillies and against turf horses. But each division has their best races and when u run in those races, that's all u can do. One could easily say that u can't compare the Withers, Preakness, Jim Dandy, and Travers to the SA Hcp, Hollywood GC, Pacific Classic, and Goodwood because they are races restricted to 3yo's while the others are open to everyone. But as of today, isn't Bernardini the odds-on favorite to be HOY?

If u want to say that u can't compare a sprinter to a router, u can certainly have that bias. But I think it's wrong to say u can't compare the schedules.

The implication is if you dont go two turns, you are not a true thorougbred. The BC has put less emphasis on the sprint, look at the purses. Sprinters, like it or not, are not held in high esteem. I love the sprints. But I dont like the way young horses are pressed to run to fast.

Here are the 3yo statistics for the two horses going into the BC races. Note that Bernardini’s maiden loss was thrown out as not representative of his ability. How some declared Fog a fraud last year going into the BC and some of the same folks call Bernardini a star this year going into the BC is beyond me. The numbers indicate that Fog was as good a sprinter as Bernardini a router.

LITF
8 starts- 8 wins
Avg dist ran– 6.5fl
Avg Time- 1:15.18
Avg Win Margin- 5.53 lengths (equates to 7.66 at 9fl)
Avg Raw Beyer- 107
Avg Awarded Beyer- 108

Bernardini
6 starts- 6 wins (maiden loss thrown out…learning experience)
Avg dist ran- 9.08fl
Avg Time- 1:49.67
Avg Time adj to 9fl- 1:48.59
Avg Win Margin- 6.67 lengths (equates to 4.82 at 6.5fl)
Avg Raw Beyer- 107
Avg Awarded Beyer- 109

is this a joke???? or a troll post?

George Bush routinely ran 6 minute miles when he first took office. That equates to:

6.5fl- 4:50.0
9fl- 6:45:0
Raw Beyer- -2862
Lengths beaten by these horses- 1092 at 9fl (Bernardini), 789 at 6.5fl (Fog)

No way in hell G Dubbs can run a 6 minute mile...

lost in the fog got beat on bc day...so we will see..

And I predict that Bernardini will as well. If not, then congrats to him... I hope he's just as influential as a stallion.