Coburn is a whiny bitch sore loser
 

Ok sad Stevie lets change the rules for just little ol you
Don't like the rules find a new game
The coward is you searching for excuses tonalist was a highly touted horse that got derailed due to injury and missed the first two to rehab and guess what clement didn't whine

Let's start another thread talking about the same thing....

My sincerest most heartfelt apologies I missed beating datruths post by the same amount of time that it took chrome to lose the race and Coburn to reveal his true character sorry I ran second

The real issue is whether or not you started a thread about owner behavior after the Derby or the Preakness. If you did not, posting about it after the Belmont is just the coward's way out.

;) :p

Starting a thread after the Peter Pan to prepare for the Belmont ought not be allowed. We're never gonna see another Triple Crown in our lifetime if you're allowed to do stuff like that.

awesome

Speaking of whining...slap me if I ever make a betting judgement on the basis of a morning workout, again:

A great pitfall handicappers have to overcome, in this area, is that they have no video of the other in-company works that said horse has had.

Obviously, Life In Shambles is no stellar work horse, or he wouldn't have debuted for a tag...yet he obviously got the better of Tonalist in their final workout.

Seeing Tonalist's final work was a huge psych-out for me...and I've been a sulky bitch about it ever since the race finished.

The work bothered me a little bit but they said those two horses worked together before the Peter Pan and that Life in Shambles outworked him before the Peter Pan too. When I heard that, then the last work didn't bother me nearly as much.

Too much info syndrom. He was lucky to get up whether he was the best horse or not. You can't beat yourself up over it.

We're wondering how many Peter Pan winners that have won the Belmont since Affirmed.Coastal? Conquistador Cielo? Summing? Cant think... been drinking white carnations... The owner of CC has to get a grip...that was so embarrasing... completely spoiled the day. Can't wait till the next chance.

Do you have stats or have you posted previously how many triple crown winners and the percentage of horses that ran against them in all three legs? Im sure the percentage was higher going back many years.

Happen to have this handy. Can't tell you prior to this

73 1 1 1 Secretariat
2 2 5 Sham
77 1 1 1 Seattle Slew
2 3 2 Run Dusty Run
12 6 7 Sir Sir
78 1 1 1 Affirmed
2 2 2 Alydar

Nice! I'm might be pressing my luck, but what about the ones going for the Triple Crown since then that have lost?

69 1 1 2 Majestic Prince
2 2 1 Arts and Letters
70 2 2 5 My Dad George
3 4 1 High Echelon
4 5 3 Naskra
71 1 1 4 Canonero II
2 3 2 Jim French
3 5 3 Bold Reason
72 1 4 1 Riva Ridge
2 2 6 No Le Hace
73 1 1 1 Secretariat
2 2 5 Sham
74 1 3 3 Cannonade
5 1 1 Little Current
10 9 4 Rube The Great
2 8 7 Hudson County
75 1 2 2 Foolish Pleasure
2 5 1 Avatar
4 1 3 Master Derby
3 3 4 Diabolo
6 4 5 Prince Thou Art
76 1 3 1 Bold Forbes
8 2 6 Play The Red
77 1 1 1 Seattle Slew
2 3 2 Run Dusty Run
12 6 7 Sir Sir
78 1 1 1 Affirmed
2 2 2 Alydar
79 1 1 3 Spectacular Bid
2 5 7 General Assembly
3 2 2 Golden Act
6 3 4 Screen King
80 1 2 2 Genuine Risk
81 1 1 3 Pleasant Colony
10 2 11 Bold Ego
2 11 4 Woodchopper
82 N/A
83 N/A
84 1 7 1 Swale
5 1 6 Gate Dancer
6 5 2 Pine Circle
85 3 2 3 Chief's Crown
7 1 11 Tank's Prospect
12 3 10 Eternal Prince
86 1 2 3 Ferdinand
87 1 1 4 Alysheba
2 2 1 Bet Twice
4 3 2 Cryptoclearance
6 4 3 Gulch
3 5 7 Avies Copy
88 1 3 6 Winning Colors
3 1 1 Risen Star
6 2 3 Brian's Time
8 5 4 Cefis
89 1 1 2 Sunday Silence
2 2 1 Easy Goer
5 5 5 Hawkster
90 1 2 4 Unbridled
7 6 6 Land Rush
91 1 6 2 Strike the Gold
10 1 1 Hansel
3 3 3 Mane Minister
9 2 4 Corporate Report
92 5 1 3 Pine Bluff
2 3 5 Casual Lies
93 1 5 7 Sea Hero
2 1 13 Prairie Bayou
3 8 3 Wild Gale
94 1 2 2 Go For Gin
6 1 1 Tabasco Cat
95 1 3 1 Thunder Gulch
96 16 1 4 Louis Quatorze
12 2 2 Skip Away
3 7 5 Prince Of Thieves
6 3 1 Editor's Note
2 4 14 Cavonnier
15 6 9 In Contention
97 1 1 2 Silver Charm
3 2 2 Free House
98 1 1 2 Real Quiet
2 2 1 Victory Gallop
15 8 11 Basic Trainee
99 1 1 3 Charismatic
14 4 5 Stephen Got Even
2 2 8 Menifee
17 6 12 Adonis
00 3 3 5 Impeachment
01 5 1 1 Point Given
7 2 2 A P Valentine
1 6 3 Monarchos
15 4 4 Dollar Bill
02 1 1 8 War Emblem
4 8 2 Medaglia d'Oro
2 3 5 Proud Citizen
03 1 1 3 Funny Cide
11 3 6 Scrimshaw
04 1 1 2 Smarty Jones
05 3 1 1 Afleet Alex
1 3 7 Giacomo
06 N/A
07 3 1 2 Curlin
2 3 4 Hard Spun
08 1 1 9 Big Brown
09 1 2 3 Mine That Bird
19 4 6 Flying Private
10 N/A
11 1 2 6 Animal Kingdom
4 1 5 Shackleford
3 6 7 Mucho Macho Man
12 11 6 10 Optimizer
13 1 4 3 Orb
6 1 2 Oxbow
8 7 10 Will Take Charge
14 1 1 ? California Chrome
7 2 ? Ride On Curlin
11 4 ? General a Rod

Agreed as witty as Coburn was bitter

his "rant" wasn't that bad.

certainly no worse than i ve heard before.

like " i don't even know what steroids do for my horse" DUH..HUH HUH HUH DUH!!!! he was real good for the sport too.

I thought the sponsor Victor Espinoza was wearing was quite odd: "Call 811" http://www.call811.com/default.aspx
and coincidentally were the same numbers to finish 1-2 in the Belmont Stakes.

Cogburn should have called before he dug himself into a hole.

I'm sick of all the workout deconstruction and back stretch chatter. "This one has sore feet, that one didn't gallop out.....blah, blah" The tweets, the report cards, the micro analysis. Too much information is right. Either a horse has talent or not so much.

Hey - Christian Hellmers was sitting right in front of Coburn?