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cakes44 05-14-2014 06:17 PM

Make a case for an on-the-pace Preakness horse.
 
I'd love to go against CC, but I'm not seeing it. Probably just a large CC and ROC box for me right now.

helicopter11 05-14-2014 06:55 PM

3-5 M/L and will probably end up being 1/9 solid underlay. If he wins, thats fine and I wish him the best for the Belmont The Preakness and Belmont are perfect betting races for avoiding underlays and making some money

Alabama Stakes 05-15-2014 12:37 AM

better hosses than Cal Chrome have lost the Preakness. he's no cinch. I'm sure the kid on bayern will be looking to cut him in half going in to the clubhouse turn.

pmayjr 05-15-2014 12:48 AM

I think Ring Weekend has a live shot. I was gonna use him in the Derby before he scratched.

IMO the Calder race was an experiment. Since he had already qualified for the Derby, Motion had nothing to lose by seeing if Ring Weekend could rate. It didn't go well, he played tug-o-war with Alan Garcia the whole way, and got beat.

Motion thought about not running him in the Derby, but he had been working well enough that Motion decides to run him (before the fever). He said on ATR that Ring Weekend was working so well that he was having trouble finding excuses to not run him.

With a good work leading up to the Preakness, this time, they're gonna let him run, with no holding him back. If he craps out, so be it. But Motion places his horses so well. I think for Motion to run him here, he thinks he's got a legit shot. I didn't have a chance to take him in the Derby, hopefully he'll still have good value on Saturday

letswastemoney 05-15-2014 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr (Post 978202)
I think Ring Weekend has a live shot. I was gonna use him in the Derby before he scratched.

IMO the Calder race was an experiment. Since he had already qualified for the Derby, Motion had nothing to lose by seeing if Ring Weekend could rate. It didn't go well, he played tug-o-war with Alan Garcia the whole way, and got beat.

Motion thought about not running him in the Derby, but he had been working well enough that Motion decides to run him (before the fever). He said on ATR that Ring Weekend was working so well that he was having trouble finding excuses to not run him.

With a good work leading up to the Preakness, this time, they're gonna let him run, with no holding him back. If he craps out, so be it. But Motion places his horses so well. I think for Motion to run him here, he thinks he's got a legit shot. I didn't have a chance to take him in the Derby, hopefully he'll still have good value on Saturday

Ring Weekend will get burned by Social Inclusion if he guns for the lead. Maybe that means Social Inclusion will be toast too, but I don't see Social Inclusion making life easy for any pacesetter.

Dunbar 05-15-2014 07:18 AM

"Make a case for an on-the-pace Preakness horse."

The case I'd make is that of all the horses in the Preakness, Social Inclusion is the one we know the least about as far as upside is concerned. We know he can run an extremely fast 8.5 furlongs when he has his own way. We know that when challenged for the lead for the 1st time in his 3rd lifetime race, he didn't have enough left to win at 9 furlongs.

Maybe we've seen Soc Inclusion's best, but I wouldn't be surprised to see enough improvement off the Wood to make the difference here.

IMO, the Derby was a more likely candidate for pace meltdown, and it didn't happen. Might not happen Saturday, either.

I'll bet Soc Inclusion if the odds are at least 7-1.

--Dunbar

pucknut 05-15-2014 07:31 AM

CC is being prematurely annoited the preakness winner
i like social inclusions chances
the wood was a great performance for a lightly raced horse and bayern is no joke

Clip-Clop 05-15-2014 09:56 AM

Blinkers off and a lesson in the Derby Trial, I like Bayern's chances to show up and hang out right off the very fast Social Inclusion and maybe get first run.

Thunder Gulch 05-15-2014 10:15 AM

Social Inclusion is fast and rested. If nobody goes and we get another Pimlico biased track, he may never look back. To me he is the only one who can pull this off.

Jay Frederick 05-15-2014 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr (Post 978202)
I think Ring Weekend has a live shot. I was gonna use him in the Derby before he scratched.

IMO the Calder race was an experiment. Since he had already qualified for the Derby, Motion had nothing to lose by seeing if Ring Weekend could rate. It didn't go well, he played tug-o-war with Alan Garcia the whole way, and got beat.

Motion thought about not running him in the Derby, but he had been working well enough that Motion decides to run him (before the fever). He said on ATR that Ring Weekend was working so well that he was having trouble finding excuses to not run him.

With a good work leading up to the Preakness, this time, they're gonna let him run, with no holding him back. If he craps out, so be it. But Motion places his horses so well. I think for Motion to run him here, he thinks he's got a legit shot. I didn't have a chance to take him in the Derby, hopefully he'll still have good value on Saturday

Not much upside in knocking a horse 20-1 ML but how can he possibly run with Social Inclusion, Bayern and the others early and then be able to withstand the closers?

Have you looked at what was behind him at Tampa?

NTamm1215 05-15-2014 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 978233)
Social Inclusion is fast and rested. If nobody goes and we get another Pimlico biased track, he may never look back. To me he is the only one who can pull this off.

I am not picking on you, but where did the myth that PImlico is a biased track come from? It seems to have become the new "Pimlico has tight turns" argument.

jms62 05-15-2014 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 978237)
I am not picking on you, but where did the myth that PImlico is a biased track come from? It seems to have become the new "Pimlico has tight turns" argument.

Or the bet the "New Shooter" argument.

Pants II 05-15-2014 11:09 AM

I think there's a possibility that Bayern could steal the race.

Danzig 05-15-2014 11:29 AM

i think cali chrome will win this one, but if i was going to put money on a horse to beat him, it would be ride on curlin.

jms62 05-15-2014 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 978244)
i think cali chrome will win this one, but if i was going to put money on a horse to beat him, it would be ride on curlin.

I will have California Chrome, Social Inclusion and General A Rod on the top of my Super Ticket and my Pick 4

pmayjr 05-15-2014 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick (Post 978235)
Not much upside in knocking a horse 20-1 ML but how can he possibly run with Social Inclusion, Bayern and the others early and then be able to withstand the closers?

Have you looked at what was behind him at Tampa?

What I'm honestly hoping is he has a running style like California Chrome. What I mean is, what if he just runs? If his cruising speed gets him the lead, ok. Or maybe he naturally presses/stalks without Alan Garcia putting the choke hold on him.

From there, we'll see. I'm hoping he doesn't get in a pissing match with Social Inc, but even if so I'm not ripping up my tix. I doubt Motion is taking a flyer here...

Sightseek 05-15-2014 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr (Post 978248)
What I'm honestly hoping is he has a running style like California Chrome. What I mean is, what if he just runs? If his cruising speed gets him the lead, ok. Or maybe he naturally presses/stalks without Alan Garcia putting the choke hold on him.

From there, we'll see. I'm hoping he doesn't get in a pissing match with Social Inc, but even if so I'm not ripping up my tix. I doubt Motion is taking a flyer here...

It isn't the trainer's decision.

Danzig 05-15-2014 12:03 PM

is ria antonia really going to run? i just don't see it.

why is there always an owner who makes people go 'whaaaaa...?' like hansens owner, i don't miss that guy being around begging for attention.

now watch the filly win after i've said this! :D

cakes44 05-15-2014 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 978254)
is ria antonia really going to run? i just don't see it.

why is there always an owner who makes people go 'whaaaaa...?' like hansens owner, i don't miss that guy being around begging for attention.

now watch the filly win after i've said this! :D

I'd love to see a ML oddsmaker list a horse like this at 99-1 just to blatantly show the world what buffoons owners like these are.

whorstman 05-15-2014 01:15 PM

Preakness Pace Senarios
 
Just curious on anyones thoughts about how the race may go. Got to be a completely different race than Derby. I think Ride On Curlin could have a chance to sneak in there if it is a contested pace.


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