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pweizer 10-28-2013 04:32 PM

BC undercard
 
Have they drawn the SA under card for BC weekend yet? I am most interested but can't find anything yet.

Paul

Kasept 10-28-2013 04:46 PM

Drawn but BC won't let the SA racing office release it.

pweizer 10-28-2013 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 951269)
Drawn but BC won't let the SA racing office release it.

Any idea when the embargo will be lifted?

Paul

cmorioles 10-28-2013 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pweizer (Post 951270)
Any idea when the embargo will be lifted?

Paul

Wouldn't want fans to actually have PPs early I guess. Strict California rule that no PP can go final until 22 hours before post time.

ranger5830 10-28-2013 09:05 PM

Friday full card entries currently available at www.overnightsnow.com.

Scav 10-28-2013 09:31 PM

5 horse field part of the Saturday P5. Classic

10 pnt move up 10-28-2013 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 951295)
5 horse field part of the Saturday P5. Classic

Card sucks, they blew it.

NTamm1215 10-28-2013 09:53 PM

The first last year had five and the third race had six and the pick 5 handled just shy of $1 million. I think everything will be OK.

Scav 10-28-2013 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 951296)
Card sucks, they blew it.

Besides that flaw, the card is usually awesome, but its just ridiculous they can't place the P5 in a better spot.

They have it as 9x5x13x10x10 and it could easily be 9x10x13x10x10. Hell, if they could have just had some flexible between days, they could have put a different race there.

And not to mention they are costing themselves money (less combos equals less bet equals less take)

Scav 10-28-2013 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 951297)
The first last year had five and the third race had six and the pick 5 handled just shy of $1 million. I think everything will be OK.

I am not talking about handle and could care less about it because handle is there for ALL races on BC Day. As a bettor, I want large fields in the best bet available.

10 pnt move up 10-28-2013 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 951299)
I am not talking about handle and could care less about it because handle is there for ALL races on BC Day. As a bettor, I want large fields in the best bet available.

What is your concern, you wont get value on the bet now?

Scav 10-28-2013 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 951301)
What is your concern, you wont get value on the bet now?

More combos makes it harder, and while I haven't seen PP's yet, I'm gonna assume that Flashback is gonna be 1/2 or 3/5 cause I don't even recognize the other names in the race.

10 pnt move up 10-28-2013 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 951302)
More combos makes it harder, and while I haven't seen PP's yet, I'm gonna assume that Flashback is gonna be 1/2 or 3/5 cause I don't even recognize the other names in the race.

well see how the parlay pays...you really have excuse not to hit it with a free square.

Alan07 10-28-2013 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 951296)
Card sucks, they blew it.

Second year in a row an undercard stakes on BC Saturday has drawn a five horse field. Also only nine in the Juvenile Turf Sprint is kind of alarming.

10 pnt move up 10-28-2013 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 951305)
Second year in a row an undercard stakes on BC Saturday has drawn a five horse field. Also only nine in the Juvenile Turf Sprint is kind of alarming.

The same race drew 5 or 6 in 2003, seems like the same old thing to me. There are way too many graded stakes anymore to actually have too many horses point for a 150k race.

Scav 10-28-2013 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 951304)
well see how the parlay pays...you really have excuse not to hit it with a free square.

I guess the real issue I have is that the BC bitches about not having enough funds, yet they don't utilize the best betting day possible.

On the other side of that, I guess they really don't 'care' about the P5 because they have a minimal take on it with it being such a low takeout, so it actually makes some sense now from their perspective.

blackthroatedwind 10-28-2013 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 951308)
I guess the real issue I have is that the BC bitches about not having enough funds, yet they don't utilize the best betting day possible.

On the other side of that, I guess they really don't 'care' about the P5 because they have a minimal take on it with it being such a low takeout, so it actually makes some sense now from their perspective.

The BC doesn't have the same concerns that tracks have. The individual races will all handle well, with or without a Pick-5. However, the Pick-5 works for racetracks in that it also draws more attention to the earlier races, which have the lowest handles. This is not a concern on BC days.

That being said, given the overall field sizes in this Pick-5, I would think the possibility of a free square will make an almost unplayable sequence, reasonably playable, which will help pool size.

Kasept 10-28-2013 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 951307)
The same race drew 5 or 6 in 2003, seems like the same old thing to me. There are way too many graded stakes anymore to actually have too many horses point for a 150k race.

Aren't there 13 in the $150k G3 Twilight Friday and 13 in the $150k Sen. Maddy Saturday?

tywizard 10-29-2013 07:41 AM

It's worth noting that the first race on Saturday is a 2YO sprint going down the hill - 9 runners. Can you confidently use anything but the all button for that race? I think the value is there even with a Flashback free space.

Danzig 10-29-2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 951309)
The BC doesn't have the same concerns that tracks have. The individual races will all handle well, with or without a Pick-5. However, the Pick-5 works for racetracks in that it also draws more attention to the earlier races, which have the lowest handles. This is not a concern on BC days.

That being said, given the overall field sizes in this Pick-5, I would think the possibility of a free square will make an almost unplayable sequence, reasonably playable, which will help pool size.

of course they don't, which explains why they keep having the races in cali, and ignore the tracks that have more attendance and handle.


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