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pweizer 10-23-2013 06:50 PM

Most Likely BC winner
 
Now that pre-entries are out, I am curious who people think is the single most likely Breeder's Cup race winner on the card?

Last year seemed much easier. Groupie Doll and Royal Delta seemed like locks. Wise Dan seemed very likely. All won as useful singles.

This year is much harder. All three of the above come in off a loss and see much less invincible.

What is your early single?

Paul

my miss storm cat 10-23-2013 06:57 PM

Princess of Sylmar. :)

asudevil 10-23-2013 08:00 PM

Dank by the length of the tote board in the F&M Turf.

Scav 10-23-2013 08:39 PM

Wise Dan is easily the best single. His race last time was far more impressive then people giving him credit for, being wide the entire race, against a loose lead short stretch cluster**** of a race.

At the very least, the loss will hopefully make people spread a little more in that race, when nothing is needed besides him.

declansharbor 10-23-2013 08:44 PM

My 'Lahudood' selection of 2013 is My Conquistadory in the Juvy Filly Turf.

Kasept 10-23-2013 08:50 PM

Babies dicey as 'most likely', but Chad Brown's J-Turf/JF-Turf runners sure look imposing: Bobby's Kitten & Testa Rossi..

Scav 10-23-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 950406)
Babies dicey as 'most likely', but Chad Brown's J-Turf/JF-Turf runners sure look imposing: Bobby's Kitten & Testa Rossi..

Its just so hard to put any confidence in any of the Juvy races because of the Lasix off rule. Its maddening.

NTamm1215 10-23-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 950407)
Its just so hard to put any confidence in any of the Juvy races because of the Lasix off rule. Its maddening.

Did it really have any impact last year other than Casse saying one of his horses bled and Baffert doing the same?

Scav 10-23-2013 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 950408)
Did it really have any impact last year other than Casse saying one of his horses bled and Baffert doing the same?

Its impossible for any of us to know if it 'really' made a difference or not, but we all have seen tons of horses move up first time lasix after not running on it (see KMC's numbers first lasix after horse has run without it).

For me personally, none of the Juv races get any action. Breeders Cup races are hard enough, don't need another wrinkle on a day with plenty of other opportunities

randallscott35 10-23-2013 09:12 PM

No lasix = all button

ateamstupid 10-23-2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 950404)
Wise Dan is easily the best single. His race last time was far more impressive then people giving him credit for, being wide the entire race, against a loose lead short stretch cluster**** of a race.

At the very least, the loss will hopefully make people spread a little more in that race, when nothing is needed besides him.

I agree with this.

Kasept 10-24-2013 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 950407)
Its just so hard to put any confidence in any of the Juvy races because of the Lasix off rule. Its maddening.

Tom..

Looking at the main track juveniles, who you'd expect to generally be more of a concern than the turf runners, last year saw Shanghai Bobby take the boys as the 3-2 favorite and top choices Beholder (4-1)-Executiveprivlege (3-2) run 1-2.. so 'form' certainly held.

robfla 10-24-2013 06:19 AM

I agree with Steve. Bobby's Kitten for me. Sure has looked super impressive.

Travis Stone 10-24-2013 08:35 AM

I've been saying this for the past couple of weeks... there are very few "standouts" (I use that term loosely) this year.

10 pnt move up 10-24-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 950444)
I've been saying this for the past couple of weeks... there are very few "standouts" (I use that term loosely) this year.

I think your wrong, to a degree. I think the favorites in many of the races are strong, though it might be more than one horse, I dont think you have to go too deep this year.

Distaff - Royal Delta or Princess of Sylmar are going to win
Classic - If Game on Dude breaks on top he is going to win
FM Turf - Dank looks serious to me
Juvenile - Havana looks like a standout on paper, Tap it Rich has talent
Sprint - I dont think you have to look further than Pointsoffthebench or Private Zone

I dont count the other pretend races as real BC races, but in the main event races I dont think it looks that competitive (though I will still bet some overylays)

I suppose in the classic one could take the view it could totally melt down, but on paper, there is a true standout.

jms62 10-24-2013 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 950453)
I think your wrong, to a degree. I think the favorites in many of the races are strong, though it might be more than one horse, I dont think you have to go too deep this year.

Distaff - Royal Delta or Princess of Sylmar are going to win
Classic - If Game on Dude breaks on top he is going to win
FM Turf - Dank looks serious to me
Juvenile - Havana looks like a standout on paper, Tap it Rich has talent
Sprint - I dont think you have to look further than Pointsoffthebench or Private Zone

I dont count the other pretend races as real BC races, but in the main event races I dont think it looks that competitive (though I will still bet some overylays)

I suppose in the classic one could take the view it could totally melt down, but on paper, there is a true standout.

Yeah this time it will be different all the first or second choices that look great on paper will win.

parsixfarms 10-24-2013 10:39 AM

With big fields over a one-mile main track and a 7F turf course, isn't it almost impossible to make any pronouncement of a "most likely winner" until post positions are drawn?

Payson Dave 10-24-2013 11:01 AM

on a related note...Flat Out for Bill Mott is scheduled to put in a final BC work on the Saratoga Training Track (Oklahoma) tomorrow or Saturday.
Sky Painter, Alpha, Dancing House, Dance Card for Kiaran McLaughlin are scheduled to put in their final BC works on Oklahoma tomorrow.
Reports to follow

VOL JACK 10-24-2013 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 950404)
Wise Dan is easily the best single. His race last time was far more impressive then people giving him credit for, being wide the entire race, against a loose lead short stretch cluster**** of a race.

At the very least, the loss will hopefully make people spread a little more in that race, when nothing is needed besides him.

:tro:

VOL JACK 10-24-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 950397)
Dank by the length of the tote board in the F&M Turf.

It's possible but, Romantica Euro form looks at least as good as Dank's Euro form.


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