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robfla 07-22-2013 02:55 PM

Beyer: The worst bad-beat story of all time
 
http://www.drf.com/news/andrew-beyer...story-all-time


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But after Tsavo crossed the finish line, the winners’ joy lasted only a few minutes. When the race was official and the payoffs were posted, Kennedy and Appell stared with disbelief at their respective television screens and saw that the Super Pick Five had paid $11,983. Kennedy went to his TwinSpires account and confirmed that this was the amount of his win – not $488,000.

Kennedy phoned Louisiana Downs and was told that another ticket had been sold on the combination at Arlington Park, but he couldn’t get a clear explanation. "Everybody was blowing me off and telling me to grin and bear it," he said.

Travis Stone, who doubles as Louisiana Downs’ mutuels director and track announcer, investigated the payoff and found the explanation later that night.

randallscott35 07-22-2013 03:01 PM

Ouch. That's a sickening feeling when the will pays are already posted.

randallscott35 07-22-2013 03:04 PM

Of course if they had info on a post time fave move for that other ticket they could have bet the 2nd choice into favoritism to make sure they had a single ticket...horse still needed to win of course. And did.

tanner12oz 07-22-2013 04:05 PM

I hit it on Friday for 850.. Didn't see the probables..thank god..probably would have had a heart attack for no reason

randallscott35 07-22-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 936519)
"I don’t believe that anybody would have bought a ticket at 8 in the morning and singled the 5 horse," Appell said.

So who is he indicting?

Does he think that there was a fraudulent ticket -- meaning that there was fraud committed at Arlington Park -- or does he believe that Louisiana Downs committed fraud of some kind? Or the tote company?

Since Louisiana Downs posted the incorrect Will Pay, I understand their anger -- and who wouldn't be livid? -- but I wish there was clarification on that point. From the column, it is not clear who Appell believes has cheated him.

Yes I read it as a "Volponi" like situation which I'm sure it was not...guy is pissed and emotional.

Travis Stone 07-22-2013 05:29 PM

The probable feed was actually never incorrect. It was based upon, at the time, the #11 being the favorite (which he was for a while in the early betting). For those who watch the races at Louisiana Downs, anytime an Al Stall ends-up the favorite is no surprise.

Obviously I would have never added the jackpot to my call nor would we have shown probables prior to the race if any of us had any idea this might have happened. The same set of probables were shown on every ADW out there because they all come from the same source.

I feel bad about it all, but nobody did anything wrong... it's just, like I've said, an awful set of circumstances.

golfer 07-22-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 936519)
"I don’t believe that anybody would have bought a ticket at 8 in the morning and singled the 5 horse," Appell said.

So who is he indicting?

Does he think that there was a fraudulent ticket -- meaning that there was fraud committed at Arlington Park -- or does he believe that Louisiana Downs committed fraud of some kind? Or the tote company?

Since Louisiana Downs posted the incorrect Will Pay, I understand their anger -- and who wouldn't be livid? -- but I wish there was clarification on that point. From the column, it is not clear who Appell believes has cheated him.

I think it depends on the size of that ticket. It would have made no sense to play an expensive ticket singling a seemingly hopeless (I presume) 30-1 ML horse in the last. But if it was a smallish ticket, and the bettor wanted to have the only winning ticket, then using a 30-1 ML horse might make more sense.
Although admittedly singling it would be somewhat suspicious.

But just to add to the bizarre aspect of the bet, if this person had used 2 horses, and one was the winner, while the other was the 30-1 ML horse, who scratched, then he would have scratched into his own horse, thereby having it twice, and costing himself the entire pool?? Had there been no other tickets on the winner of course.

Travis Stone 07-22-2013 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 936541)
I think it depends on the size of that ticket. It would have made no sense to play an expensive ticket singling a seemingly hopeless (I presume) 30-1 ML horse in the last. But if it was a smallish ticket, and the bettor wanted to have the only winning ticket, then using a 30-1 ML horse might make more sense.
Although admittedly singling it would be somewhat suspicious.

The record of the wager I received was the actual winning bet, so I saw just the 50-cent wager. I have no idea whether or not he made additional wagers or if it was one bet in a pile of bets on the same ticket. I was told it was a "Quick Pick" ... although I can't confirm that, but that would explain the oddity of the selection and be an appropriate ending to an already crazy story.

golfer 07-22-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 936545)
The record of the wager I received was the actual winning bet, so I saw just the 50-cent wager. I have no idea whether or not he made additional wagers or if it was one bet in a pile of bets on the same ticket. I was told it was a "Quick Pick" ... although I can't confirm that, but that would explain the oddity of the selection and be an appropriate ending to an already crazy story.

That would be the most likely explanation.

But all this does go back to the problems of being put on the favorite in a scratch situation. There are times when a simulcast player won't even know who the favorite was until after the race, as the odds are available, but the pools aren't, and there could be multiple horses at the same odds. And the track announcer wouldn't even be able to tell everyone at post time, because we all know the money hasn't all been co-mingled at that point.
Strange game we play.

randallscott35 07-22-2013 06:01 PM

Quick Pick on horses? Beyond bizarre

Danzig 07-22-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 936550)
Quick Pick on horses? Beyond bizarre

it worked tho...

randallscott35 07-22-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 936551)
it worked tho...

I didn't even know such a thing existed in horse racing.

10 pnt move up 07-22-2013 07:15 PM

It does provide hope that there is still dumb enough players out there to fatten the pools.......I mean what else would you call someone betting into a 62.5% takeout?

Scav 07-22-2013 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 936552)
I didn't even know such a thing existed in horse racing.

Randall, the AmTote machines here have a quick pick function where you can do a bunch of different things. It is generally saved for old people or people that have never been there. Some of my wifes friends like goofing around with it also. You can pretty much put the 'quick pick' function on ANY bet, your just letting the machine pick a random number. When the GP P6 was insanely high, I saw someone sit at a machine for close to 30 minutes doing quick picks, spent about 50$ for 500 tickets.

Years and year ago when the dog track was open in Kenosha, and we were underage but they accepted our horrible Colorado ID's, my friend hit a quick pick trifecta up there that paid close to 4k on $1.

randallscott35 07-22-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 936569)
Randall, the AmTote machines here have a quick pick function where you can do a bunch of different things. It is generally saved for old people or people that have never been there. Some of my wifes friends like goofing around with it also. You can pretty much put the 'quick pick' function on ANY bet, your just letting the machine pick a random number. When the GP P6 was insanely high, I saw someone sit at a machine for close to 30 minutes doing quick picks, spent about 50$ for 500 tickets.

Years and year ago when the dog track was open in Kenosha, and we were underage but they accepted our horrible Colorado ID's, my friend hit a quick pick trifecta up there that paid close to 4k on $1.

Unreal.

South Beach Luv 07-22-2013 08:47 PM

Xpressbet has a quick pick option, I use it sometimes on a dime super when I have $0.20 or whatever left in my account.

I wonder if the guy from Arlington thought he was going to get the whole thing too.

Travis Stone 07-22-2013 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 936589)
Your track posted a will pay for Tsavo winning the race that was incorrect, regardless of the reason.

Sure you did something wrong, Travis. How could you say otherwise?

It was correct data at the time of the posting and calculation of the probables. It's technically not a will pay... it's a probable. An additional scratch of any other horse live to the Jackpot between its initial cycle and race time would have had the same impact.


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