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Calzone Lord 03-12-2013 05:45 PM

OBS March
 
A colt by Flatter was the session top today at 480K.

This is the second major 2yo sale of the year so far.

Barretts March is already in the books.

On a surprising note, you had a Dunkirk get a bullet at Bar March, and a Colonel John do the same at OBS March.

Just a $50,000 yearling last October, Coolmore paid $575,000 less than five months later for this guy:

http://www.barretts.com/TrainingPrev...13/hip067a.wmv

blackthroatedwind 03-12-2013 06:18 PM

Well, at least the dam is a half to a few that could sprint, Egg Head and Chief J Strongbow, but she's a little light on production. On the brighter side, he looks like Dunkirk, the dam was a chesnut, which means he could be good for three or four races.

Which reminds me, Mig also agrees about coloring and inherited dominance.

Kasept 03-12-2013 06:25 PM

The ill-fated Egg Head can't get to equally tragic Lost in the Fog in the '05 Riva Ridge. Cannot believe this was 8 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07PLM60PT2w

Calzone Lord 03-12-2013 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 919122)
Well, at least the dam is a half to a few that could sprint, Egg Head and Chief J Strongbow, but she's a little light on production. On the brighter side, he looks like Dunkirk, the dam was a chesnut, which means he could be good for three or four races.

Which reminds me, Mig also agrees about coloring and inherited dominance.

Interesting.

I've never really put any thought or study into coloring and inherited dominance. I'm sure I'll burn through a perfectly good Monday and Tuesday or two studying that angle once these sales are all over with.

parsixfarms 03-12-2013 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 919120)
Just a $50,000 yearling last October, Coolmore paid $575,000 less than five months later for this guy:

http://www.barretts.com/TrainingPrev...13/hip067a.wmv

I never know what to think about purchases like this, when the farm is paying big bucks for the offspring of a stallion that they stand. Is it because they really like the horse, they are trying to "support" the stallion, or a combination of both? Whatever it is, I can see the advertisement now: "His 2YOs have sold for up to $575,000!!" It is worth noting that, compared to some other first-crop sires like Colonel John, the Dunkirks last year sold modestly (average of $30,000 and median of $22,000 for 71 yearlings sold).

Calzone Lord 03-12-2013 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 919123)
The ill-fated Egg Head can't get to equally tragic Lost in the Fog in the '05 Riva Ridge. Cannot believe this was 8 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07PLM60PT2w

Fun race. Lost In The Fog was a phenomenally good early season 3yo sprinter. It's VERY rare that a horse wins the King's Bishop and you feel like he's lost a few steps from his early season form.

Egg Head was by Honor Grades (half bro to A. P. Indy) and was an unusually good sprinter for a sire who normally gets routers.

Same type of thing with Chief J Strongbow (Chief Honcho) as well.

Missy Turtle, the dam of the Dunkirk 2yo above, she won her debut by 5+ lengths going 5.5 furlongs at 20/1 odds. Still, didn't expect to see any Dunkirk's emerge from the sales as obvious potential debut winners.

Calzone Lord 03-12-2013 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 919126)
I never know what to think about purchases like this, when the farm is paying big bucks for the offspring of a stallion that they stand. Is it because they really like the horse, they are trying to "support" the stallion, or a combination of both? Whatever it is, I can see the advertisement now: "His 2YOs have sold for up to $575,000!!" It is worth noting that, compared to some other first-crop sires like Colonel John, the Dunkirks last year sold modestly (average of $30,000 and median of $22,000 for 71 yearlings sold).

They bought the horse who got the bullet quarter as well.

This one was a 185k yearling turned 675K 2yo by Malibu Moon:

http://www.barretts.com/TrainingPrev...13/hip027a.wmv

In that case, they didn't have a connection to the sire. Looks like Baffert won't be getting the nuts this time like he often does from the sales out there.

VOL JACK 03-12-2013 08:27 PM

I looked up a dozen or so hips yesterday to find what they sold for as yearlings for Mike. (Most were sold in book 4-6 at KEE Sept) It just amazes me how most of these horses were sold for 30-50k 6 months ago. I guess getting to watch one work an eighth of a mile is worth a lot to some. A good percentage of these hips will bring 5-10 times their yearling price.

outofthebox 03-12-2013 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 919129)
I looked up a dozen or so hips yesterday to find what they sold for as yearlings for Mike. (Most were sold in book 4-6 at KEE Sept) It just amazes me how most of these horses were sold for 30-50k 6 months ago. I guess getting to watch one work an eighth of a mile is worth a lot to some. A good percentage of these hips will bring 5-10 times their yearling price.

i was the underbidder on hip #254 at OBS Aug for $30k. I can imagine after breezing in 10 flat, that she might fall into that category of being 5-10 times their yearling price..

Round Pen 03-12-2013 09:29 PM

Good day at the Sale all the Major Players are here I believe the Sale topper comes tomorrow. Hip 333

outofthebox 03-12-2013 09:38 PM

I have a friend who is bidding on # 329. I will have to remember to continue watching so i can view # 333 also.. Funny how they both breezed in 9.4..

outofthebox 03-13-2013 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Round Pen (Post 919132)
Good day at the Sale all the Major Players are here I believe the Sale topper comes tomorrow. Hip 333

Nice call!! $1.8 mil bid by telephone..

Calzone Lord 03-13-2013 02:16 PM

That one was a 115k October yearling. It was one of several to share the bullet, and it has an unusually attractive sire pedigree for a 2yo sale horse (Smart Strike out of a Grade 2 stakes winning Pulpit mare. 3rd dam was successful racer and broodmare Minidar)

For those of us looking through this sale just for debut bets and debut bet-againsts ... it was a good sale for both groups.

I found a few in this sale with nice pedigrees who sold very well, and would have a very hard time winning a debut sprint at Delaware Park, but none the less will draw a fairly low-morning line number when they debut at a major track.

pweizer 03-13-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 919150)
That one was a 115k October yearling. It was one of several to share the bullet, and it has an unusually attractive sire pedigree for a 2yo sale horse (Smart Strike out of a Grade 2 stakes winning Pulpit mare. 3rd dam was successful racer and broodmare Minidar)

For those of us looking through this sale just for debut bets and debut bet-againsts ... it was a good sale for both groups.

I found a few in this sale with nice pedigrees who sold very well, and would have a very hard time winning a debut sprint at Delaware Park, but none the less will draw a fairly low-morning line number when they debut at a major track.

Such as?

Paul

Calzone Lord 03-13-2013 03:01 PM

There were a few dozen of them.

One of them, a full brother to a horse I loved coming out of OBS (Secret Circle) was utterly terrible and still brought 145K.

I saw a terrible Giant's Causeway half to Officer, a Harlan's Holiday who simply can't run, and a lot of horses who looked average at best go for six figures.

Calzone Lord 03-13-2013 03:11 PM

Of the horses who didn't get a bullet, without a doubt my favorite work of the sale was #66.

Hard to say any Grand Slam colt that sells for $210,000 is going to be a bargain, but that horse is exactly what I'm looking for.

parsixfarms 03-13-2013 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 919150)
That one was a 115k October yearling. It was one of several to share the bullet, and it has an unusually attractive sire pedigree for a 2yo sale horse (Smart Strike out of a Grade 2 stakes winning Pulpit mare. 3rd dam was successful racer and broodmare Minidar)

I'd be very interested to see what this horse's conformation is, and was. Despite a female family strong enough for WinStar to buy his dam, Mini Sermon, for $450,000 from the Evans dispersal at Keeneland November in 2011, WinStar only had to pay $100,000 to acquire this horse as a weanling at the same sale, and then let him go for $115,000 last fall (with no significant catalog update since October).

tabs 03-13-2013 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 919123)
The ill-fated Egg Head can't get to equally tragic Lost in the Fog in the '05 Riva Ridge. Cannot believe this was 8 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07PLM60PT2w

Lost in the Fog was my top two favorite horses in the past decade. A combination of brilliant speed and stamina!

I never felt like he received the recognition he should have, tragic end.

Calzone Lord 03-13-2013 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 919162)
I'd be very interested to see what this horse's conformation is, and was. Despite a female family strong enough for WinStar to buy his dam, Mini Sermon, for $450,000 from the Evans dispersal at Keeneland November in 2011, WinStar only had to pay $100,000 to acquire this horse as a weanling at the same sale, and then let him go for $115,000 last fall (with no significant catalog update since October).

The conformation couldn't have been all that wonderful to only sell for 115k with all that pedigree.

It was a seriously good piece of work in the under-tack video, and being a colt, it was going to obviously sell for many times the yearling price. However, $1.8 million was shocking to me. Would never have guessed that high.

Calzone Lord 03-13-2013 03:45 PM

Fasig Tipton Florida is next-up.

If you want to see what a real sensational under-tack video looks like, watch this work by Tempted To Tapit's sister Dance Card two years ago:

http://www.fasigtipton.com/fasig-tip...78b885eebc01b7


She was hip #64 at the sale and went 9.80 unblinkered. Hip #63 at this same sale was Union Rags who had the joint 2nd fastest unblinkered 1/8th of the sale at 10.20 -- you can watch Union Rags work in the link above by clicking the previous button after Dance Cards work.

Dance Card took forever to get to the races (a terrible sign with these kind of horses) she's 5-4-1-0 lifetime and won the Grade 1 Gazelle last time out even though she drifted out very badly again.

I raved about Dance Cards work in the thread for that sale. It was the kind you see only once every two or three years. She would have been incredible if not for losing her entire 2yo season and the first half of her 3yo season to physical issues.


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