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hoovesupsideyourhead 11-06-2012 05:38 PM

well the beyers are in
 
anyone think they are needing adjustment in any case?
117 for fort larned
107 for wise dan
99 zagora
108 royal delta
108 groupie doll
104 tapazar
108 triniburg

Indian Charlie 11-06-2012 06:03 PM

any comments on the 117 by any of the speed figure aficionados here?

Conrad 11-06-2012 06:11 PM

Beyer figs for any distance over 9f are unreliable imo.
Without starting the whole figure argument, i think 117 is too high.
My biggest fig went to Groupie Doll in the Filly Sprint by a 1pt margin over the Classic and the Damascus Stks on the Sat undercard

Conrad 11-06-2012 06:30 PM

Damascus Stks was run in 120.86 and got a 99 BSF - two races later the F&M Sprint was run in 120.72 and got a 108 BSF

Whaaaaatever:zz:

Calzone Lord 11-06-2012 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conrad (Post 900881)
Damascus Stks was run in 120.86 and got a 99 BSF - two races later the F&M Sprint was run in 120.72 and got a 108 BSF

Whaaaaatever:zz:

There were three 7 furlong dirt races on the card.

Race #1: Official time: 1:23.50 Trackus time: 1:23.51

Race #3: Official time: 1:20.86 Trackus Time: 1:20.86

Race #5: Official time: 1:20.72 Trackus Time: 1:20.60

I don't agree with a margin as wide as the Beyers have it separating race #3 and #5 -- sure, the margin is a tiny bit wider on Trackus and race #3 came back a little faster than projected, but that happens with stakes caliber 3yo males this time of year. Maybe you put the variant to the Trackus times and close the gap a tiny bit.

I'm sure sheets people would point out the fact that Groupie Doll won her race what they consider the hard way, with a very wide trip under 124lbs ... not to mention that she was ridden hard the whole way.

When I did the figures for this day, I didn't have those two races that far apart. I just didn't see the kind of evidence I need to see to justify it.

Indian Charlie 11-07-2012 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 900882)
There were three 7 furlong dirt races on the card.

Race #1: Official time: 1:23.50 Trackus time: 1:23.51

Race #3: Official time: 1:20.86 Trackus Time: 1:20.86

Race #5: Official time: 1:20.72 Trackus Time: 1:20.60

I don't agree with a margin as wide as the Beyers have it separating race #3 and #5 -- sure, the margin is a tiny bit wider on Trackus and race #3 came back a little faster than projected, but that happens with stakes caliber 3yo males this time of year. Maybe you put the variant to the Trackus times and close the gap a tiny bit.

I'm sure sheets people would point out the fact that Groupie Doll won her race what they consider the hard way, with a very wide trip under 124lbs ... not to mention that she was ridden hard the whole way.

When I did the figures for this day, I didn't have those two races that far apart. I just didn't see the kind of evidence I need to see to justify it.

The evidence is in the names attached to each of the two stakes races in question.


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