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TouchOfGrey 08-21-2012 12:37 PM

Bodemeister Retired to Winstar
 
Bodemeister Retired to Winstar

HaloWishingwell 08-21-2012 12:45 PM

Bodemeister Retired
 
http://www.winstarfarm.com/articles/...o-winstar.html

Calzone Lord 08-21-2012 12:45 PM

His 6 race career middled that of his sires 8 race career and dams 4 race career.

The dam of Bodemeister was almost as much of a curiosity as he was. She had an extreme distance pedigree on both sides of her female line ...but was precocious and surprisingly effective over very short distances.

Here is the past performances for the dam of Bodemeister -- as she won her first two races under full nelson holds.

http://www1.drf.com/row/pps/untouchedtalent.pdf

MaTH716 08-21-2012 12:47 PM

I am absolutely floored by this news.............:rolleyes:

Calzone Lord 08-21-2012 12:51 PM

Secret Circle might be next.

He was supposed to just have a minor injury after his 2nd place finish in the Arkansas Derby where he was all over the track ... he hasn't even recorded a published workout since.

Here are the past performances of Secret Circle's sire (Eddington) and dam (Ragtime Hope) ... I still can't figure out where all the speed and precocity came from with him

http://www1.drf.com/row/pps/eddington.pdf

http://www1.drf.com/row/pps/ragtimehope.pdf

10 pnt move up 08-21-2012 01:03 PM

shock

jms62 08-21-2012 01:04 PM

We have lost more of the class prior to Travers than I ever recall...

Riot 08-21-2012 02:19 PM

Sorry to hear that.

I don't see how horse racing can survive when it pays owners more to not race good horses, than it does to race them.

Calzone Lord 08-21-2012 02:51 PM

The consistent lack of racing by good race horses is obviously the main problem they have in terms of promoting the sport in the way they want to promote it.

It's hard to imagine another horse ever coming along even like Skip Away in terms of combining elite quality performances, consistency, durability, travel, and constant campaign from the latter part of a 2yo season all the way to the end of a 5-year-old season.

Awesome Again's undefeated but champion-free campaign of '98 was basically where the trendiness of these type of campaigns all started. Frankel helped a great deal soon after and when Pletcher noticed his stats were great with layoff and freshened horses and mediocre with horses who race on less than 4 weeks rest -- he adjusted his placement to his stats.

I don't see how another Skip Away is even possible in this climate.

Merlinsky 08-21-2012 03:11 PM

They said the injury likely occurred a couple weeks ago when he stumbled, but wasn't he 'not quite right' earlier than that? Equibase has his last listed workout as 7/8 for 5f in 1:01 handily. Something just seems weird.

I guess it's helpful for them that he got the G1 win with that margin of victory earlier in the year. It's not like people would doubt his talent with the Derby/Preakness finishes, but his only other win is breaking his maiden. Given his ability it would've been a real shame if he hadn't gotten a graded win on his record. Of course, maybe if he hadn't they might've been more inclined to try to bring him back in the future. Who knows? The Empire Maker connection and the fact that his sire is now in Japan would've still been an issue.

Arletta 08-21-2012 03:22 PM

I think most were expecting this news. Still, what a shame.

PatCummings 08-21-2012 03:35 PM

Does it not seem the rigorous prep required to get these horses ready for Triple Crown races is taking its toll - I'll Have Another and Bodemeister were both seemingly rushed through preps to get there.

10 pnt move up 08-21-2012 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 885232)
The consistent lack of racing by good race horses is obviously the main problem they have in terms of promoting the sport in the way they want to promote it.

who is "they"?

KirisClown 08-21-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 885232)
The consistent lack of racing by good race horses is obviously the main problem they have in terms of promoting the sport in the way they want to promote it.

It's hard to imagine another horse ever coming along even like Skip Away in terms of combining elite quality performances, consistency, durability, travel, and constant campaign from the latter part of a 2yo season all the way to the end of a 5-year-old season.

I don't see how another Skip Away is even possible in this climate.

It'll never happen again, you'd need a perfect storm in horse, owner and trainer and their ability to fend off the breeding offers.. Horses like Skip Away are gone for good and won't be coming back.

10 pnt move up 08-21-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KirisClown (Post 885277)
It'll never happen again, you'd need a perfect storm in horse, owner and trainer and their ability to fend off the breeding offers.. Horses like Skip Away are gone for good and won't be coming back.

Thats why fillies and mares kinda dominate the sport from a star standpoint in past years.

Indian Charlie 08-21-2012 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KirisClown (Post 885277)
It'll never happen again, you'd need a perfect storm in horse, owner and trainer and their ability to fend off the breeding offers.. Horses like Skip Away are gone for good and won't be coming back.

It is possible with some lowly bred gelding.

Brilliance 08-21-2012 06:06 PM

Jill Baffert

"
For the sake of fairness and accuracy, majority interest in Bodemeister was sold which would mean the majority

owner(s) determines future plans for the horse."
.

Cannon Shell 08-22-2012 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 885266)
Does it not seem the rigorous prep required to get these horses ready for Triple Crown races is taking its toll - I'll Have Another and Bodemeister were both seemingly rushed through preps to get there.

It has been that way ever since just running in the Derby became more important than actually winning it though it usually shows up in the horses who dont make it and also rans unlike these 2. Of course neither of these 2 needed to be retired as their injuries are not that severe, had they been geldings they would have been facing off in the Strub series next Winter...well if anyone still cared about that series of races anymore.


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