Andrew Beyer's comments about TVG
 

Here is an article Andrew Beyer wrote regarding the telivision channel TVG:

http://drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=78584&subs=0&arc=0

TVG is a godsend to horse race lovers like me and the rest of this board but I don't like them ramming thier picks down our throats. What are the ROI on the so-called analysts they have on their. I am very sure its in the RED
What the hell is Stevens and Puigsli doing making picks on air? Thier job is to provide insight on the race not what they have on the pick 4.

I agree with you 100% thats why i now have choosen to watch TVG on mute! HRTV is way better and is what TVG should model their network after. I see more stuff about what goes on behind in the backside, on TVG they just want your $ they could care less if you know what actually goes on with the horses after the last race. All they show is how to bet, ok they did that when they 1st came on the air and now they are still talking to everyone like they are stupid.

they have a betting service and they're pushing their product. it's to be expected. if people follow their picks blindly, then mullins was indeed right.

any discerning person will know to take thier picks with a grain of salt. it doesn't bother me that they make losing pick after losing pick. at least they're showing races. and lots of 'em.

How can you say TVG is showing lots of races. There are plenty of times where a race was going off at a 'lower' track only for them to show a friggin post parade, they are improving but there is 10 minutes in between post parade and post, and the parade is only like 1 minute, plenty of time to show the race, put the parade on delay and then make our decisions

well, nobody's perfect. what i mean by lots of races is they are showing races from 11:00 in the morning until midnight (central time). that's a whole bunch of races. you're rgiht about them catering to the bigger tracks. but they usually will show the smaller track races on tape delay.... if not the whole race, the stretch.

What they need to do is set up another channel, one for commentary and another with 4 track feeds on it, like some OTB's do. I doubt cable companies would pick it up, but I guarantee that TVG users would load that up on their computer screen. It would be a great idea.

On another note, any person that actually used TVG as their betting service needs to get their head examined. 25 cents per wager. I already lose $500 a day and they want me to pay like $20 to lose that money, I consider it gross misconduct.

In California, you can use Youbet and not have to pay to lose your money, you could also go offshore and get 7% of your wagers back, if you were offshore, it is like a $55 swing (Instead of being out $20 in wagers, you are +$35 in rebates on $500 wagered)

Clarification: Reason I used California as an example is because like 60% of there account base is from there, according to Allevato

In my opinion there is a basic misconception, or disconnect, in racing between what people want and what they are given. If you ask me, the way to get people interested in racing ( if this is possible ) is to present an intelligent analysis that also allows the for the possibility of teaching people something. The more people learn the more likely they are to come closer to making money and thus very probably get more involved in playing.

Look at Poker....they have guys like Phil Helmuth and Howard Lederer doing television. These guys are two of the greatest players in the world. OK, we have Randy Moss and then a smattering of knowledgable people sprinkled around the country and then a lot of people offering absolutely nothing and more likely to lead people in the wrong direction than help them. What racing needs, and I'm not saying this will solve all woes but at least it will be a step in the right direction, is more knowledge and less supposed style.

Why should we care what Beyer thinks about TVG? His picks suck, he shouldnt throw stones at glass houses. When was the last time he picked a winner? Cajun Beat in the BC, which we hear about over and over. Big whoop.

Because he is the greatest racing writer of all time.

He picks a lot of winners, if you would like we can discuss the Pick-6 he hit at Del Mar this past meet, and when was the last time he brought up Cajun Beat?

If you think his house is made of glass then you are mistaken.

Because he writes damn good HORSERACING editorials, perhaps?
I don't really get the whole "when's the last time he picked a winner" argument anyway. Why who he picked today, yesterday, or in the 2003 BC makes any difference to you or to anyone who follows his writing is nonsensical- is he a public handicapper?

He is someone who revolutionized handicapping- whether or not you use his speed figures, and someone who has the guts to speak out on subjects other racing "journalists" cower from.

He must be real bored if he is complaining about guys on TVG giving out picks. Must be jealous of Brad free for nailing Fairplex the other day. His ego is so big I'm surprised it fits in his head. I guess I would equate it to the star cheerleader who gets jealous when a new cheerleader moves into town and starts getting attention. LOL!

Gander, this article was a while ago, not recent, maybe two weeks ago

Well that shows you what a complete idiot I am. Go ahead and shoot me Scavs. I am a worthless slug anyways. Get it over with, just dont make me suffer. You know that song "Loser" by Beck? It was written about me.

trust me, i have you beat in that department, at least you don't lose money playing Retama

At least you didnt bet half a week's pay on Gerbil Quest.

Are you kidding me?????? This is some of the most outrageous garbage I have read in quite a while. What the hell do you know about Beyer? And, considering the feedback I have seen from the article I would say MANY more people are happy with what he has written than otherwise.

Just to clue you in, since unlike you I happen to know Andy Beyer EXTREMELY well, he is the least jealous person I have probably ever met in my life. Unlike most people around the racetrack he roots for all his friends ( and I would guess he and Brad are at LEAST friendly....though that comment of yours was so lame I shouldn't even dignify it with a response ). When I hit a big Pick-6 a year and a half ago he was almost as excited as I was ( and, no, he did not have a piece ).

In a business full of irresponsible journalism Andy Beyer stands out as a beacon of integrity. What have you done to make such outrageous accusations?

I put 100 WP on a Retama rat, you are not going to beat me on this one Timmy

I dont even know what Retama is?