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Tea Party GOP Debate tonight

I'd advise watching Keeneland sales, instead.

But if you're a glutton for political punishment, you can see the Tea Party Express (Republican party California lobbying arm) hold a GOP debate about 'Tea Party principles only' tonight on CNN.

Will Rick Perry be able to save his candidacy after his SS disaster last week? Will they ask them if they "believe" in evolution? (we can only hope) Will Newt show up, or be at another expensive fundraiser?

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GOP debate: three things we might see at tea party event tonight

The Republican candidates face off in Florida tonight, and the Tea Party Express organizers vow that the debate will focus only on tea party 'core principles.' Will Perry and Paul clash?

By Peter Grier, Staff writer / September 12, 2011

Republican presidential candidates on Monday night will debate for the second time in less than a week. This time the multi-hopeful wrangle will take place in Tampa, Florida. It’s a joint effort of CNN and the Tea Party Express.

Given that many of the questions will come from the tea party activists in the audience, this debate likely will have a different tone than the previous one at the Reagan Library.

“The Tea Party Debate will focus only on the core principles and values of the tea party movement: limited government, free markets, and fiscal responsibility,” says the Tea Party Express web site.

Given this framework, what might viewers see?

First, the obvious – candidates may compete to see who dislikes President Obama’s jobs plan the most. As potential opponents of Mr. Obama, they all have an incentive to deny the president credit for any jobs measures Congress now may pass. Plus, they are likely to gang up in disapproval of the taxes Obama is proposing to help pay for the $447 billion measure. For instance, the White House wants to raise $400 billion over ten years by limiting deductions for individuals making $200,000, and couples making over $250,000.

Second, the even-more obvious – everybody’s going to want to see how Texas Gov. Rick Perry handles the issue of Social Security. (He called it a “monstrous lie” last week, and reiterated his belief that it’s a “Ponzi scheme”, if you remember.)

Both former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota have criticized Governor Perry’s language as inflammatory and insensitive. Either or both of them could take him on directly tonight, which could be interesting in front of a tea party crowd.

Perry himself said Monday that he’s the truth-teller here. “The first step to fixing a problem is honestly admitting there is a problem,” he wrote in an op-ed published in USA Today.

The op-ed continues by saying that benefits for those now on Social Security must be protected, but that changes will be necessary to maintain projected benefits after 2036.

As Daily Beast blogger Andrew Sullivan points out, the op-ed is far from inflammatory. It’s the sort of chin-pulling one could find in a Brookings seminar on the subject.

“Perry says he is doubling down on this matter.... Except he isn’t,” writes Mr. Sullivan.

So look to see if the phrases “Ponzi scheme” or “monstrous lie” actually pass Perry’s lips tonight. Tea partyers might approve, but the debate is in Florida, a state with a high percentage of Social Security recipients.

Third, how is Rep. Ron Paul of Texas going to play in front of the tea party audience? Will they treat him as a founding father of the movement or an eccentric back-bencher? No one in the GOP race has been promoting the idea of a more limited US government longer than Representative Paul. But his idea of “limited” is “very limited.” In the last debate he questioned whether the feds should regulate drug or auto safety. He said it was possible a fence along the US border with Mexico could be used at some point to keep US citizens in, as opposed to illegal immigrants out.

An interesting sub-question here is whether Paul and Perry will go after each other in public. Paul has run TV ads pointing out that Perry was a Democrat until 1989, and that the current Texas governor ran Al Gore’s 1988 presidential campaign in the state. Perry has responded by releasing a letter Paul wrote in 1987 resigning from the GOP. (He said Reagan had failed to keep government and taxes from growing.)

At the Reagan Library debate, photos showed that Perry approached Paul during a break in the action and appeared to berate the lawmaker. Both minimized the incident afterwards. But even by releasing Paul’s 1987 letter, Perry has violated a tenet of campaigning: Don’t waste time arguing with somebody who’s way behind you in the polls.

Thanks, but i don't miss the Closer from 9-10....Catch the rerun on Fox and get the real story...:D

Isn't is grate watching globalists act like tea party candidates?

Frauds. Just like clown shoes that is holding the crown right now. I resent dying with the rest of you. It's beneath me to succumb to this god-damned nonsense.

If things stay somewhat the same through the election then I am seriously going to consider property in a mountainous area...preferably Canada.

That's what the global markets are doing. That's what millions, possibly billions will be doing.

THUD

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But....CANADA!?

They can't even colonize Nova Scotia because they haven't safely landed a spaceship there!

Their space program is even behind Australia's!

No self respecting globalist would go there.

Not many options. Maybe Sweden.

Want to be in the orange...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wo..._provinces.jpg

I'm getting sick of the fighting in the debates.:rolleyes:

(posted from my remote mountain :D)

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 806516)

Not many options. Maybe Sweden.

Want to be in the orange...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wo..._provinces.jpg

I could hang with Sweden..fine choice.

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley (Post 806517)

I'm getting sick of the fighting in the debates.:rolleyes:

(posted from my remote mountain :D)

^^^^ Sniffs Yeti Spaghetti.

Sweden it is!

That audience can't handle the truth and that's why they boo Ron Paul. Over 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died during our occupation. There will be retaliation.

The terrorists are winning.

yay!

What we have here....is a mess.

The clean up crews are being derelict in their duty.

Side Bar: I proposed years ago to move to the tundra land to the North, but Arty(Mr. Boo Bees here) would not help smuggle me in.True story.

A bit of a startling moment happened near the end of Monday night's CNN debate when a hypothetical question was posed to Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas).

What do you tell a guy who is sick, goes into a coma and doesn't have health insurance? Who pays for his coverage? "Are you saying society should just let him die?" Wolf Blitzer asked.

"Yeah!" several members of the crowd yelled out.

Paul interjected to offer an explanation for how this was, more-or-less, the root choice of a free society. He added that communities and non-government institutions can fill the void that the public sector is currently playing.

"We never turned anybody away from the hospital," he said of his volunteer work for churches and his career as a doctor. "We have given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves, assume responsibility for ourselves ... that's the reason the cost is so high."

The answer may have struck a truly libertarian tone but it was clearly overshadowed by the members of the crowd who enthusiastically cheered the prospect of letting a man die rather than picking up the tab for his coverage.

Now you know what horsey's feel like.

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 806576)

The Tea Party has been infiltrated by the same people who voted for Bush and supported the Iraq War.

Ron Paul needs to run as an Independent.

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 806584)

The Tea Party has been infiltrated by the same people who voted for Bush and supported the Iraq War.

Ron Paul needs to run as an Independent.

Ron has always run as a GOP so he gets the face time. That's smart.

The Tea Party is just the John Birch Society is just the Moral Majority. It's the same group of people, they've always been there on the far right fringe of the GOP, they just get different names over the years.

This is the most "mainstreaming" they have ever had in modern politics (since Reagan), and the old guard GOP is putting a stop to that after this congress. They don't like having uncontrollable yahoos in Congress messing up their legislative goals.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 806588)

This is the most "mainstreaming" they have ever had in modern politics (since Reagan), and the old guard GOP is putting a stop to that after this congress. They don't like having uncontrollable yahoos in Congress messing up their legislative goals.

and that starts today with the takeover of former Rep Weiner's seat. ;)

talk about a uncontrollable yahoo. :D

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 806588)

Yeah we need more McConnell and Boehner. :rolleyes:

We need two more parties to fracture the one party posing as two.

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 806594)

Yeah we need more McConnell and Boehner. :rolleyes:

Eww, eww, ewww ...... now I need a brain bleach.

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We need two more parties to fracture the one party posing as two.

We have never allowed a viable three party system (money control issues by those in power no matter the party), so I suppose the best alternative is to have the non-money interests trying to influence the true morality of society via socialists pulling the Dems, the Birchers pulling the GOP, and libertarians pulling everyone towards a (slightly) more reality-based world :D