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Calzone Lord 06-22-2011 02:29 PM

Early Bookmaking
 
Here is a 90-year-old column about the very early days of bookmaking in American racing that I read a few months ago.

It would appear as though multi-race wagering in America actually got its start at the 1877 Saratoga meet - in the form of a 100/1 fixed-odds, $10 minimum, Pick 5 wager that didn't award conso's or move you to the favorite in the case of a late scratch.






Calzone Lord 06-22-2011 02:29 PM





Nice call by Durkin in the 6th.

Indian Charlie 06-22-2011 02:43 PM

100/1 on a five horse parlay?

They should have been tarred and feathered by the betting public.

MaTH716 06-22-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 786207)
100/1 on a five horse parlay?

They should have been tarred and feathered by the betting public.

Why, have you seen the early pick 5 at Hollywood lately? :rolleyes:

PatCummings 06-22-2011 02:54 PM

Still having trouble getting top barns from the west to come to the Spa. Nothing has changed

Calzone Lord 06-22-2011 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 786207)
100/1 on a five horse parlay?

They should have been tarred and feathered by the betting public.

It is pretty funny.

A lot of cool stories about new bookmakers from around the time of the early 1900's - especially in the Mid West and Far West.

They talked about how guys who were actually sharp handicappers from that region got into bookmaking - but were clueless on the ins and outs of it.

In a couple of cases - these bookmakers opened horses at odds as high as 40/1 - that twenty minutes later - would go off favored in the race.

In an overall climate like that - it would seem easy as hell to make a lot of money betting.

Calzone Lord 06-22-2011 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 786214)
Still having trouble getting top barns from the west to come to the Spa. Nothing has changed

I think they referred to Kentucky as "the west" in the 1870's and 1880's. Brown Dick was a Kentucky horsemen.

Calzone Lord 06-22-2011 03:09 PM

Here is what bookmaking in American racing has been reduced to ... yesterday's last race at Presque Isle....

Early:



Late:


randallscott35 06-22-2011 03:43 PM

Show the actual American pools....I took one look at the pools on DRF a few weeks ago and kept right on going. Any decent bet is basically playing against yourself. No thanks.

Calzone Lord 06-22-2011 03:53 PM

$15,000 in the win pool $16,673 in the exacta pool ... but there were two late scratches in the race - including the heavy favorite.

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20110621&RN=8


But yeah, you have to get pretty creative if you want to make big wagers at a track like that. The pools aren't any better on the weekends - in fact, they're worse.

Shame too, because super speed favoring synthetic tracks with live rails are as good as it gets for wagering conditions IMO.

randallscott35 06-22-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 786252)
$15,000 in the win pool $16,673 in the exacta pool ... but there were two late scratches in the race - including the heavy favorite.

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20110621&RN=8


But yeah, you have to get pretty creative if you want to make big wagers at a track like that. The pools aren't any better on the weekends - in fact, they're worse.

Shame too, because super speed favoring synthetic tracks with live rails are as good as it gets for wagering conditions IMO.

There is too much racing. And it looks like a nice enough track. But you have to be an idiot to bet into those pools. I would consider playing them offshore if they didn't dump into the pools but guess what, that doesn't exactly help the racing industry.

Calzone Lord 06-22-2011 03:56 PM

No worries, money up front, and I'll book your action.

randallscott35 06-22-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 786258)
No worries, money up front, and I'll book your action.

LOL...You will be at some strip joint across the border before dawn....But please don't tell people to bet PID when it is a terrible investment option for one's depression era dollars

Calzone Lord 06-22-2011 04:09 PM

That's HANA's job last I checked.

I believe they surged from 66th out of 69 tracks all the way to 61st out of 69.

Big year.

brockguy 06-22-2011 04:18 PM

I'm surprised so much was bet on a Presque Isle race. who is betting on it???

randallscott35 06-22-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy (Post 786278)
I'm surprised so much was bet on a Presque Isle race. who is betting on it???

Probably Euro college kids.

brockguy 06-22-2011 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 786281)
Probably Euro college kids.

yeah maybe - I need to get in on this action - Drugs send me your tips :) :) :) - I am sure your tips would defo generate a positive ROI especially with betfair odds!!!

Calzone Lord 06-22-2011 06:09 PM

Will do. This is about as specialized a race track as any I've ever seen. Would be wonderful if the Betfair competition really was a bunch of dopey Euro College kids like Randall thinks - but I don't think that's the case.


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