what a surprise!
 

The President of the United States of America IS an American.. born in our 50th state.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...pt=T1&iref=BN1


let me guess Del... this isnt a real certificate and he was born on Mars with alien Muslim parents.

Finally the stupid birthers can shut the fucl< up and quit making republicans look like total fools.

i'll miss them. i can't imagine what the white house is thinking actually releasing this. the entire farce has been nothing but gold for democrats.

he now picks up zero birther votes but loses the ability to paint the entire republican field with the broad brush of stupidity that was the birther movement. the issue had zero traction with the moderate voters he needs. i think karl rove finally gets a good nights rest after this.

the funniest part about it is the document released today can't be used as proof of citizenship in hawaii. the "official" document is the short form. you bring this one into the dmv and you'll be sent back for the short form.

the white house has to be nearly as stupid as an actual birther to have released this.

Read this. You'll feel better :D

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...ant-President-

not really. it's an article that's red meat for a segment of his base that's going to vote for him no matter what. unless the election hangs in the balance on the issue of race (which if it does is bad news for obama) i don't feel any better at all.

i have to assume the white house is in possession of polling data that showed birther inroads into some segment of the population that raised red flags for november 2012. otherwise this makes no sense from a strategic standpoint.

the birther movement was carrying a lot of water for democrats in poisoning the republican well for moderate voters.

i argued with someone here well before the 2008 election that anyone who was still a birther at that point would never be convinced and it was pointless to try. i hope i was right.

I think this has clearly pointed out that any media (and I think this was done mostly for the media: after CNN debunked this again, the CNN reporter asked a question about it in the damn WH press room!) and candidates that give this nonsense any more leg belongs clearly in crazy conspiracy theory wingnut land.

Every single person who brings this up, from this point onwards, goes straight to the crazy waste bin.

This issue was addressed and overwhelmingly proven false in the 2008 campaign. The continuing lies and clown show enabled by the media do distract from our problems, and makes us an embarassment on the world stage.

i disagree with the entire paradigm of a "main stream media". it's a mythical creation of the right for any outlet that fact checks before it publishes or broadcasts.

buying into the idea that the media is something more than thousands of voices competing for attention and has some organizing principal beyond journalistic ethics empowers a really bad piece of propaganda. it's an idea that's as much a creature of the conspiracy mindset as the birther movement itself.

it would be a problem if donald trump didn't get media attention for his deliberate attention grabbing incendiary speech. the right would have a valid point if it weren't covered as news by all media outlets. the fact he gets covered is proof of how wrong the right is about the alleged bias they see everywhere.

and today is no different than any one of the last thousands days. the birther movement had no factual basis three years ago. it was always a wild conspiracy theory that ignored facts and was only believed by gullible dupes.

I agree, I do, too.

And that's what I think Obama was saying by releasing this. "Journalistic quality" no longer seems defined by the quality of well-written editorials from educated and thoughtful news editors, or Pulitzer Prizes won, or respect nationally within the profession; it seems to be defined by ad revenue as determined by internet page click rates. Of course the media - all media - goes right to Donald Trump being an idiot, and Sarah Palin screeching about something stupid, when page clicks therefor ad revenue is what defines media success nowadays.

Obama said it plainly to Chuck Todd today: you don't notice all the major news outlets breaking into programming to televise live Obama's five-minute comments on finance. But they sure did for the birth certificate thing this morning. What kind of priority is that?

True. So I do understand why some don't think it should have been addressed any further than it already has.

But it isn't like these wackos were just some fringe element in the party. According to a Public Policy Polling survey from a month or two ago, a majority of likely Republican Party primary voters were birthers.

I know you wish the Republican Party had views that matched up with your personal views a lot more often.
So do I. But they don't.
Its basically the party of people like del, AeWingnut, etc, and this document release isn't going to change that.

LOL

I'm very busy...

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