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Linny 04-13-2011 09:10 AM

Arthur's Tale out
 
According to www.bloodhorse.com he has a splint.

MaTH716 04-13-2011 09:17 AM

I have come to a sad realization, I think that it's unlikey I will ever get to see a horse win the triple crown.
Not that Arthur's Tale was the horse, but it just seems many of the three year olds (at least as of late) can't stay healthy enough to endure the entire Derby trail/TC series.

Is this an over reaction, or does anyone else feel the same way?

randallscott35 04-13-2011 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 768492)
I have come to a sad realization, I think that it's unlikey I will ever get to see a horse win the triple crown.
Not that Arthur's Tale was the horse, but it just seems many of the three year olds (at least as of late) can't stay healthy enough to endure the entire Derby trail/TC series.

Is this an over reaction, or does anyone else feel the same way?

Depends how old you are?:)

robfla 04-13-2011 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 768493)
Depends how old you are?:)



or how young you are ( if you are old enough, you would have already witnessed it ).

MaTH716 04-13-2011 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by robfla (Post 768512)
or how young you are ( if you are old enough, you would have already witnessed it ).

I was alive, but very young.
The first horse/derby I remember was when Pleasant Colony won.

Indian Charlie 04-13-2011 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 768492)
I have come to a sad realization, I think that it's unlikey I will ever get to see a horse win the triple crown.
Not that Arthur's Tale was the horse, but it just seems many of the three year olds (at least as of late) can't stay healthy enough to endure the entire Derby trail/TC series.

Is this an over reaction, or does anyone else feel the same way?

It's been going on for a lot longer than just a few years.

I saw horses from 20 years ago that might have been able to win the TC, get knocked out. Actually, more like 25 years.

Gate Dancer 04-13-2011 10:54 AM

Depending upon your age, I still think one might surface.................but it's highly doubtful that we'll ever see a decade like the 70's.

I think we'll catch one good animal that will be able to take advantage of a mediocre crop year.

RolloTomasi 04-13-2011 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 768492)
I have come to a sad realization, I think that it's unlikey I will ever get to see a horse win the triple crown.
Not that Arthur's Tale was the horse, but it just seems many of the three year olds (at least as of late) can't stay healthy enough to endure the entire Derby trail/TC series.

Is this an over reaction, or does anyone else feel the same way?

It's not simply soundness issues that keep horses from winning the Triple Crown. There have been at least a half dozen horses that arguably could have won the Triple Crown in the last 20 years that were felled by other factors.

slotdirt 04-13-2011 11:02 AM

I'm rather certain there were Triple Crowns to be found in the 2000's if not for rider error.

MaTH716 04-13-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 768532)
It's not simply soundness issues that keep horses from winning the Triple Crown. There have been at least a half dozen horses that arguably could have won the Triple Crown in the last 20 years that were felled by other factors.

Obviously it's not all about soundness, but my point has to do with the overall soundness of the breed. You hear talk and see threads about how horses today aren't what they were say 20 years ago. Is there a credence to this talk? Or maybe it's as easy as running your horse on some sort of consistent basis.

Possibly it's just a knee jerk reaction after seeing the probable favorite (with one of them looking like a legitimate threat for the TC) pull out the last two years and several horses this year have been scratched from races and pulled off the derby trail in all.

You would think (or at least I do), that if all this talk about the breeding weakness is true, wouldn't the issues just get worse as the years pass by?

RolloTomasi 04-13-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 768541)
Obviously it's not all about soundness, but my point has to do with the overall soundness of the breed. You hear talk and see threads about how horses today aren't what they were say 20 years ago. Is there a credence to this talk? Or maybe it's as easy as running your horse on some sort of consistent basis.

Possibly it's just a knee jerk reaction after seeing the probable favorite (with one of them looking like a legitimate threat for the TC) pull out the last two years and several horses this year have been scratched from races and pulled off the derby trail in all.

You would think (or at least I do), that if all this talk about the breeding weakness is true, wouldn't the issues just get worse as the years pass by?

Maybe, but are high profile horses getting knocked from the Derby a new phenomenon? I would guess the Derby trail has been derailing horses for more than just the last 20 years.

Just the other day, DrugS pointed out two from yesteryear in Sir Gaylord and Gen. Duke. Graustark and Buckpasser (from the same year--same rider, too) were also pretty high profile horses that didn't make it back in the day. I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg.

-BT- 04-13-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 768537)
I'm rather certain there were Triple Crowns to be found in the 2000's if not for rider error.

not true.... i've had the privilege of mushing ALL 4 attempts of the accomplishment in person in the 2000's. I make streaks end!!!

-bt-

MaTH716 04-13-2011 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 768575)
not true.... i've had the privilege of mushing ALL 4 attempts of the accomplishment in person in the 2000's. I make streaks end!!!

-bt-

Do you have the same affect on Hockey? If so, could I offer you tickets for the first two home games in Washington? :D

The Indomitable DrugS 04-13-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 768569)
Maybe, but are high profile horses getting knocked from the Derby a new phenomenon? I would guess the Derby trail has been derailing horses for more than just the last 20 years.

Just the other day, DrugS pointed out two from yesteryear in Sir Gaylord and Gen. Duke. Graustark and Buckpasser (from the same year--same rider, too) were also pretty high profile horses that didn't make it back in the day. I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Hoist the Flag and Devil's Bag are two others that come to mind as well.

Travis Stone 04-13-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 768537)
I'm rather certain there were Triple Crowns to be found in the 2000's if not for rider error.

Agree...

Indian Charlie 04-13-2011 12:07 PM

AP Indy.

Dinard.

I'm not even counting horses that never raced past 2 due to death or injury, like Grand Canyon, Swear, maybe Saratoga Six.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-13-2011 12:11 PM

A. P. Indy was '92

paulo537 04-13-2011 12:12 PM

Silver Charm, Real Quiet, Charismatic, War Emblem, Funny Cide, Smarty J, Big Brown. All Derby-Preakness winners within the past 15 years. Plenty of shots at it.

-BT- 04-13-2011 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 768577)
Do you have the same affect on Hockey? If so, could I offer you tickets for the first two home games in Washington? :D

if we can get out of the first round i'll test my streak for round 2

wish that was even an option for football

-bt-

The Indomitable DrugS 04-13-2011 12:16 PM

If Jess Jackson doesn't buy RA after the KY Oaks - even Mine That Bird would have had a good chance at a sweep.


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