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MacLean's Music fig finalized.. 114

That was the same figure I projected for Ruffian in her debut - albeit that one coming as a 2yo.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...82&postcount=1

I would have expected the 110-to-113 range for MM.

With six dirt sprints - and it coming near the middle of the card - you know it's a solid number.

Really, really fast debut, but anyone else think they kicked it up a couple of points when the buzz started everyone scrambling to find the highest debut at 112?

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 762305)

Really, really fast debut, but anyone else think they kicked it up a couple of points when the buzz started everyone scrambling to find the highest debut at 112?

I'm sure some people think that.

They are wrong. Completely wrong.

The preliminary figure, as Steve posted, came back at 110. So you can say with definitively and with absolute authority that you can differentiate between a 112 and a 114? Wish I was that sharp.

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 762314)

The preliminary figure, as Steve posted, came back at 110. So you can say with definitively and with absolute authority that you can differentiate between a 112 and a 114? Wish I was that sharp.

What's your point?

Do you make your own figures? Did you make them for Santa Anita this week? Where is your credibility here that you felt it was OK to take a random shot at the people that have spent their lives making speed figures?

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 762315)

just another fly by

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 762315)

What's your point?

Do you make your own figures? Did you make them for Santa Anita this week? Where is your credibility here that you felt it was OK to take a random shot at the people that have spent their lives making speed figures?

I guess I was "completely wrong".. I wasn't taking a shot at anyone...look, we all know Beyer's group- who I have a lot of respect for- has become more and more subjective and less mechanical through the years, so that his figures are different than those he produced with Formal Gold. Maybe they're better, but there is more of a human element now and humans are apt to push for superlatives instead of a near miss.

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 762332)

Keep pushing that shovel.

Why would Andy Beyer care if this horse ran the top 1st out figure?

I know I don't care.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 762340)

Why would Andy Beyer care if this horse ran the top 1st out figure?

well, now that's a good question, isn't it?

For the record, I do my own figs and I also came up with a 114. Of course, my all-time highest fig went to Zanjero in the Risen Star. He got a 146. My math may have been off that day, however. I went with a quadruple split variant and things got ugly.

The video of Forest Music's Calder preview is no longer available on the Internet... but here was the Bloodhorse write-up on it. (The Tale of the Cat-Mr. Leader colt turned out to be Lion Heart - the Hennessy-Time To Blossom filly never raced)

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Named Forest Music, the Unbridled's Song filly was the fastest at a quarter-mile, covering the distance in :20 4/5. Produced from the stakes-winning Gone West mare Defer West, the filly is a half-sister to Sapling Stakes (gr. III) winner Shooter (by Dehere). The filly is consigned to the auction by Ricky Leppala, agent. Leppla purchased her for $110,000 at the 2002 Keeneland September yearling sale.

The Tale of the Cat colt and the Hennessy filly shared the fastest time of :10.0 at an eighth of a mile. Produced from the stakes-winning Mr. Leader mare Satin Sunrise, the Tale of the Cat colt is a half-brother to Florida Oaks (gr. III) winner French Satin (by French Deputy). Consigned by Robert Scanlon, agent, he was purchased by Flying Zee Stable for $100,000 at the 2002 Fasig-Tipton Midlantic Eastern fall yearling sale. The Hennessy filly was produced from the unaced Miswaki mare Time to Blossom, who is a half-sister to stakes winner My Golden Son (by Twining). The filly was purchased by her consigners, Don R. Graham and Ocala Oaks, for $55,000 at Keeneland last September.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz1HL84EJOX

Video by DRF:

http://www.drf.com/news/video-114-be...macleans-music

Macleans has a huge stride!

Number makes a lot of sense in context with the 1st and 2nd races- which it was 26 and 40 points faster than, respectively- and the winners of those races were 85-90 and 75-78 type animals. I was in the sportsbook and was only casually watching and thought it was the stakes race.

Forest Music's debut was freakish, too. Went 1:08.53 at Laurel, which is basically unheard of at any level there.
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...try=USA&race=4