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Danzig 03-06-2011 10:05 AM

radicalized muslim hearing
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41933142/ns/us_news/

NEW YORK — A coalition of over 100 interfaith, nonprofit and governmental organizations planned to rally in New York City against a planned congressional hearing on Muslims' role in homegrown terrorism.

The coalition said that Thursday's hearing will send the wrong message to U.S. Muslims by "demonizing" them.

further down:

U.S. Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican, told CNN's "State of the Union" that he sees an international movement with elements in the U.S. of Muslims becoming more radical and identifying with terrorists.

A Minnesota Democrat, Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the House, said that while it's proper to investigate radicalization, it is wrong to single out a religious minority.


now, that's what i don't get. what other religions should we be investigating? that comment makes no sense to me at all. are all muslims 'bad'. of course not. but any that are radicalized, who are using a bastardized form of their religion to instigate terrorism, obviously should be investigated. i don't believe we should group any and all muslims together, but i can certainly understand having this hearing.

Coach Pants 03-06-2011 11:28 AM

They are going to keep line-stepping and pushing the envelope. Let them. Then the politically correct will be brushed to the side and the extreme measure will be taken. They will be taught a lesson. Right now they are the disruptive student in class taking advantage of the teacher shackled by unfair rules. Those tables can turn in an instant.

somerfrost 03-06-2011 11:41 AM

I think the topic of the investigation is indeed proper, while I understand concerns of the Muslim community, the world is as it is....radical Islam is a clear and present danger and followers simply cannot be allowed to hide.

Riot 03-06-2011 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 758700)
I think the topic of the investigation is indeed proper, while I understand concerns of the Muslim community, the world is as it is....radical Islam is a clear and present danger and followers simply cannot be allowed to hide.

Good thing radical Islam is a tiny extreme minority of terror and violence, not religion. One might mistakenly thing one was investigating and inadvertently demonizing an entire religion of billions for the acts of those few hundred that use religion for extremist political purpose.

And nobody would want that, surely.

somerfrost 03-06-2011 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 758758)
Good thing radical Islam is a tiny extreme minority of terror and violence, not religion. One might mistakenly thing one was investigating and inadvertently demonizing an entire religion of billions for the acts of those few hundred that use religion for extremist political purpose.

And nobody would want that, surely.

Of course not...but you can't easily separate religion from those who bastardize it for their purposes.

Riot 03-06-2011 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 758763)
Of course not...but you can't easily separate religion from those who bastardize it for their purposes.

Well ... one group is a couple hundred violent, threatening political terrorists hiding out in Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan.

The other are a few billion peaceful, normal, average people, including millions of your fellow Americans.

dellinger63 03-06-2011 02:49 PM

There were a couple hundred celebrating in one muslim village following the twin towers coming down.

Riot 03-06-2011 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 758776)
There were a couple hundred celebrating in one Palestine muslim village following the twin towers coming down.

FTFY

dellinger63 03-06-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 758781)
FTFY

Couple hundred in the IL prison system.......

dellinger63 03-06-2011 03:00 PM

Another couple hundred in Farakan's church....

somerfrost 03-06-2011 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 758768)
Well ... one group is a couple hundred violent, threatening political terrorists hiding out in Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan.

The other are a few billion peaceful, normal, average people, including millions of your fellow Americans.

Who should understand the need to confirm that!

dellinger63 03-06-2011 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 758786)
Who should understand the need to confirm that!

she knows she's on twitter!

Coach Pants 03-06-2011 03:20 PM

She's with it. She's hip. Ducka ducka ducka ducka

Danzig 03-06-2011 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 758758)
Good thing radical Islam is a tiny extreme minority of terror and violence, not religion. One might mistakenly thing one was investigating and inadvertently demonizing an entire religion of billions for the acts of those few hundred that use religion for extremist political purpose.

And nobody would want that, surely.


investigating those who are going to extremes in no way demonizes the entire religion. it's not an all-or-nothing thing here. i tire of people leaping into a defensive mode just because a suggestion has been made to investigate the actions of a few-a few who mean nothing but harm.

somerfrost 03-06-2011 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 758812)
investigating those who are going to extremes in no way demonizes the entire religion. it's not an all-or-nothing thing here. i tire of people leaping into a defensive mode just because a suggestion has been made to investigate the actions of a few-a few who mean nothing but harm.

Absolutely...we can't ignore clear and present dangers to avoid upsetting folks...hell, my religion has been demonized for centuries and I don't cry every time a witch is depicted riding a broomstick or casting an evil spell!

hi_im_god 03-06-2011 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 758812)
investigating those who are going to extremes in no way demonizes the entire religion. it's not an all-or-nothing thing here. i tire of people leaping into a defensive mode just because a suggestion has been made to investigate the actions of a few-a few who mean nothing but harm.

are you or have you ever been a member of the communist party?

witch hunts are witch hunts danzig. they're always an all-or-nothing thing. only those advocating the violent overthrow of our democratic system had anything to fear from joe mccarthy.

Riot 03-06-2011 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 758783)
Couple hundred in the IL prison system.......

Fear the Muslims!

Riot 03-06-2011 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 758786)
Who should understand the need to confirm that!

Confirm that the problem is a teeny, tiny wingnut crazy minority who co-opts a radical view of an entire religion for their own political purpose? It's already been confirmed. We pretty well know the type of unhappy young male that is "targeted" by radicals (of all stripes).

There is no comparison at all between killing and hate words, obviously, but radicalized religious terrorists don't represent Islam any more than Westboro Baptist represents Christians.

Riot 03-06-2011 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 758812)
investigating those who are going to extremes in no way demonizes the entire religion. it's not an all-or-nothing thing here. i tire of people leaping into a defensive mode just because a suggestion has been made to investigate the actions of a few-a few who mean nothing but harm.

I don't understand: who specifically are we to be investigating?

I mean, the FBI, CIA and our counterterrorism folks have had a profile of susceptible people (susceptible to radical terroristic conversions of any stripe, both religious or not) for some years.

I really fail to see what public hearings on "Muslims" is going to do, especially looking at King's guest list. What knowledge are we to gain? We'll see.

Riot 03-06-2011 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 758784)
Another couple hundred in Farakan's church....

Because Farakan's church is exactly like Al Quaeda?


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