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The Indomitable DrugS 03-01-2011 12:08 AM

Camarero
 
In August of 1955 - there was a 4-year-old in Puerto Rico who was an undefeated 56-for-56 lifetime - he a winner of Puerto Rico's triple crown the year prior.

He finished his career with 73 wins from 77 lifetime starts - dying days after his final race.

Was he any good? I don't know.

Because I have no charts of his races and pp's for him and his competiton - what's most interesting about him - at least to me - is his pedigree.

His sire Thirteen - a son of a Travers winner - was an ok alw type horse in New York that came up through the claiming ranks.



His dam Flint Maid had a pretty decent pedigree - but was quite the bum while racing at ok tracks like Tropical (Calder) and Pimlico




No luck being able to so much as guess what kind of quality Camarero had - but his pedigree sure couldn't have been more American.

Indian Charlie 03-01-2011 12:10 AM

Well, they did name a car after him.

Couldn't have been too bad.

DaTruth 03-01-2011 12:40 AM

He lost for the first time in his 57th race.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...camarero&hl=en

Danzig 03-01-2011 06:25 AM

surely he vies with kincsem as being the best ever!

AeWingnut 03-01-2011 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 757092)
surely he vies with kincsem as being the best ever!

:tro::D:tro:

Dahoss 03-01-2011 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 757092)
surely he vies with kincsem as being the best ever!

Where is he on Somerfrost's best ever list?

DaTruth 03-01-2011 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 757102)
Where is he on Somerfrost's best ever list?

He probably didn't make the cut since Somerfrost has a penchant for 19th century horses.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-01-2011 08:49 AM

There are a couple of video clips of him anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CML-K...eature=related

The Indomitable DrugS 03-01-2011 08:58 AM

Kincsem's one win in England - came as the longest shot in a field of 3 - against two horses who weren't exactly thought of as stars. The strong favorite pointing for that race got sidelined.

An old DRF article I read a while ago from the 1910's talked about how the win 'was considered no big accomplishment by latter-day European turf writers'

OldDog 03-01-2011 09:27 AM

He certainly was/is loved in Puerto Rico, understandably.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/wee...-turns-50.aspx

zippyneedsawin 03-01-2011 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 757120)
Kincsem's one win in England - came as the longest shot in a field of 3 - against two horses who weren't exactly thought of as stars. The strong favorite pointing for that race got sidelined.

An old DRF article I read a while ago from the 1910's talked about how the win 'was considered no big accomplishment by latter-day European turf writers'

Imagine if they had the internet and message boards back then.. would we be calling Kincsem's supporters Kin-Tards?

Indian Charlie 03-01-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin (Post 757127)
Imagine if they had the internet and message boards back then.. would we be calling Kincsem's supporters Kin-Tards?

No.

That doesn't flow as nicely as Zenyattard.

How about, instead, Kinscum?

That is, Kin-scum, not the other thing.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-01-2011 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin (Post 757127)
Imagine if they had the internet and message boards back then.. would we be calling Kincsem's supporters Kin-Tards?


There would probably be more message board posters than actual horses who raced during Kincsem's time.

I have no idea how good horses like Camaero or Kincsem were. There are always freaks who can greatly outrun very weak pedigrees - and certainly a good horse can come from anywhere.

People are always going to like undefeated horses with big win streaks. To quote a great old time racing writer ...



Certainly horses like Camaero and Kincsem never came even remotely close to passing that test.

freddymo 03-01-2011 11:14 AM

I can't wait for when Pedigee Ann chimes in with her history lesson on South American horses of yester year.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-01-2011 12:48 PM

Freddy - you've already jinxed Boys at Tosconova to affliction ... now they're posting videos of Uncle Mo working out on youtube. Whatever was ailing him - and he's certainly got a lot of fragility in his pedigree - it seems like you've jinxed him back to relative soundness.


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