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The Indomitable DrugS 10-21-2010 01:39 PM

Best Value Jockeys in the Country
 
To qualify they must average at least 500 mounts a year for the last five years:

#1: Miguel Perez - $2.31

#2: Kerwin Clark - $2.09

#3: Joel Rosario - $1.99

#4: Paco Lopez - $1.97

#5t: Alan Garcia - $1.95

#5t: Leandro Goncalves - $1.95

#7: Alonso Quinonez - $1.94

#8: Huber Villa-Gomez - $1.90

#9: Jose Lezcano - $1.88

#10t: Erik Rodriguez - $1.87

#10t: Diego Saenz - $1.87

Everyone else is below $1.82 - a ton of guys are in that $1.60 to $1.75 range.

As for the worst ... Phil Teator's $1.09 edges out Inosencio Diego's $1.12 - but .. considering that Diego somehow achieved his $1.12 with over 4,000 total mounts .. he probably deserves the title of worst value in the land.

randallscott35 10-21-2010 01:40 PM

Value-----until they aren't.

randallscott35 10-21-2010 01:51 PM

The only Kerwin I will bet is John.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-21-2010 01:52 PM

Kerwin Clark shows a gigantic profit at Evangeline like every single year and he's been there for a long time.

How old is that guy? He rode Dispersal a couple of times. He's got to be a senior citizen.

randallscott35 10-21-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 709542)
Kerwin Clark shows a gigantic profit at Evangeline like every single year and he's been there for a long time.

How old is that guy? He rode Dispersal a couple of times. He's got to be a senior citizen.

Born on 4/18/1959 in Louisiana

The Indomitable DrugS 10-21-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 709536)
Value-----until they aren't.

That would be the case with Joel Rosario.

Going into 2008 - he was finishing in the top 3 with 45% of his mounts and his average odds at post time were 16/1 - and this from a sample of over 1,000 races.

You're lucky if you see Rosario at 16/1 twice a week anymore ... and when you do, the horse probably is going to have the look of a 25/1 shot or more on paper.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-21-2010 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 709543)
Born on 4/18/1959 in Louisiana

Miguel Perez is 39 years old according to google.

Complete waste of talent I guess. Only made one half hearted attempt to make it at a major circuit .. went 2-for-20 in Southern Cal and left.

In 2004, he rode 592 races - 14% wins - $2.65 ROI - the vast majority of these numbers compiled in Northern California at Golden Gate and Bay Meadows.

Eventually left No. Cal for New Mexico.

Zia Park:

2009: 22-for-112 ($2.42 ROI)
2008: 36-for-176 ($2.55 ROI)
2007: 19-for-80 ($4.22 ROI)

Sunland Park: Profitable four of the five years he's ridden there

He moved his tack to Emerald Downs this year for some reason ...

At Emerald: 16-for-90 $3.43 ROI

Not counted in any of these stats - In 2007, he won 40 of 172 quarter horse races - and had a $2.64 ROI

randallscott35 10-21-2010 03:23 PM

Some guys like smaller tracks, less scrutiny, not unlike people who can't play sports in NY.

robfla 10-21-2010 03:39 PM

I'm curious as to what Paco Lopez' ROI at Monmouth was for their summer meet. I know it's a small sample, but it seems like his average win payout was 5 or 6:1

The Indomitable DrugS 10-21-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 709573)
Some guys like smaller tracks, less scrutiny, not unlike people who can't play sports in NY.

Yeah - but he puts up insane numbers just about everywhere he goes.

It's not like Kerwin Clark at EVD or Calvin Borel at CD ... where some shady Cajun jock has taken complete ownership of a certain one race track .. and it's like they aren't that good everywhere else.

I'd be more cynical about guys like Inosencio Diego and Marlon St. Julien - who consistently pound out numbers too bad to be true.

gales0678 10-21-2010 03:43 PM

how about Pabalo Fragoso?

The Indomitable DrugS 10-21-2010 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robfla (Post 709576)
I'm curious as to what Paco Lopez' ROI at Monmouth was for their summer meet. I know it's a small sample, but it seems like his average win payout was 5 or 6:1

$1.92

The Indomitable DrugS 10-21-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678 (Post 709578)
how about Pabalo Fragoso?

$1.43

gales0678 10-21-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 709583)
$1.43

how about on 2 yr olds?

The Indomitable DrugS 10-21-2010 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678 (Post 709586)
how about on 2 yr olds?

Would need to get that stat off of Thoro-Graph's.

dalakhani 10-21-2010 09:40 PM

what do John Jacinto's numbers look like over that span? That guy can ride a little.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-21-2010 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 709730)
what do John Jacinto's numbers look like over that span? That guy can ride a little.

4,532 mounts - $1.77

hockey2315 10-22-2010 08:01 AM

Not measurable because its all a fallacy.

iamthelurker 10-22-2010 02:16 PM

I'm pretty sure there are a lot of posters here who would say all these numbers are completely irrelevant.


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