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RockHardTen1985 08-10-2010 12:55 PM

Are these really Hall of Fame stats?
 
Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

Career NBA 1178 1053 34.9 6.3 13.3 .473 0.8 2.5 .326 2.7 3.8 .704 1.8 4.6 6.4 5.2 2.0 0.8 2.8 2.8 16.1





Not in my opinion.

jenroypa 08-10-2010 01:18 PM

My reason he shouldnt be anywhere near the place without paying admission is when it was finally his time, he begged off bkz Kukoc got the shot..He was a good second fiddle who did nothing without MJ.

RockHardTen1985 08-10-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jenroypa (Post 681121)
My reason he shouldnt be anywhere near the place without paying admission is when it was finally his time, he begged off bkz Kukoc got the shot..He was a good second fiddle who did nothing without MJ.


Its an insult to the HOF. He was a good NBA player, who without Jordan would have been average and NEVER EVER EVER EVER WOULD HAVE WON A TITLE. I hope Jordan takes a big shot at him, I think MJ is doing the speech or whatEver for him.

Gauchos0522 08-10-2010 04:30 PM

7 time all star, 7 time all nba 1st team defender, 7 all nba teams, voted as top 50 player of all time....the whole he was nothing without Jordan argument aside, dude is a hall of famer

Cannon Shell 08-10-2010 04:34 PM

Uh...ok sure PG.

RockHardTen1985 08-10-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 681242)
Uh...ok sure PG.


You like him? You of all people?

miraja2 08-10-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 681125)
Its an insult to the HOF. He was a good NBA player, who without Jordan would have been average and NEVER EVER EVER EVER WOULD HAVE WON A TITLE. I hope Jordan takes a big shot at him, I think MJ is doing the speech or whatEver for him.

Can you name all the forwards in NBA history who had more steals and/or more assists than Scottie Pippen?

miraja2 08-10-2010 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 681261)
Can you name all the forwards in NBA history who had more steals and/or more assists than Scottie Pippen?

Hint: It's a trick question.

Cannon Shell 08-10-2010 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 681252)
You like him? You of all people?

It isn't a matter of liking him. But he was clearly one of the best players in league history. Name a better all-around defender.

miraja2 08-10-2010 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 681331)
Name a better all-around defender.

This is the key when discussing Pippen. He was obviously somewhat limited as a half-court offensive threat, but not many guys could legitimately guard the other team's point guard and their power forward (and the positions in between) at such a high level.
He was a great one-on-one defender, a great help defender, a great full-court defender, and a great half-court defender. You couldn't ask for any more on that side of the ball.

dalakhani 08-10-2010 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 681331)
It isn't a matter of liking him. But he was clearly one of the best players in league history. Name a better all-around defender.

Rodman

docicu3 08-10-2010 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 681487)
Rodman

That was my answer as well.....unless B Russell is allowed?

This will set off an explosion but Hakeem deserves at least honorable mention.

dalakhani 08-11-2010 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3 (Post 681490)
That was my answer as well.....unless B Russell is allowed?

This will set off an explosion but Hakeem deserves at least honorable mention.

I think Kobe in his younger days deserves a mention. He will never get the credit he deserves as a defender but when he was in his younger days, he was about as tough and as versatile of a lockdown defender as there was in the league. He was capable of locking down guys from Allen Iverson to Tracy Mcgrady.

Shaun Marion in his prime was extremely versatile although one certainly wouldn't mention him in the same breath as Pippen.

Michael Cooper was pretty darn versatile. Think about some of the assignments he had.

Bruce Bowen and Ron Artest. Neither of those guys played the passing lanes like Pippen though although I think Artest was better in the post against the more physcial swing men. Still, neither would be in Pippen's class all the way around considering Pippen had more responsibility at the other end.

What made Pippen unique was that he locked down, could play the lanes and then at the other end he ran the offense half the time and for all intents was the second option in a pretty potent arsenal. I guess when you factor all that stuff in you could certainly make a compelling case for Pippen. Although, if just looking at the defensive side purely, Rodman to me was more versatile. He could cover a guy like Shaq and then turn around and cover a guy like Dominique Wilkins. Pippen couldn't do that.

gales0678 08-11-2010 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 681501)
I think Kobe in his younger days deserves a mention. He will never get the credit he deserves as a defender but when he was in his younger days, he was about as tough and as versatile of a lockdown defender as there was in the league. He was capable of locking down guys from Allen Iverson to Tracy Mcgrady.

Shaun Marion in his prime was extremely versatile although one certainly wouldn't mention him in the same breath as Pippen.

Michael Cooper was pretty darn versatile. Think about some of the assignments he had.

Bruce Bowen and Ron Artest. Neither of those guys played the passing lanes like Pippen though although I think Artest was better in the post against the more physcial swing men. Still, neither would be in Pippen's class all the way around considering Pippen had more responsibility at the other end.

What made Pippen unique was that he locked down, could play the lanes and then at the other end he ran the offense half the time and for all intents was the second option in a pretty potent arsenal. I guess when you factor all that stuff in you could certainly make a compelling case for Pippen. Although, if just looking at the defensive side purely, Rodman to me was more versatile. He could cover a guy like Shaq and then turn around and cover a guy like Dominique Wilkins. Pippen couldn't do that.

no one could cover shaq in his prime, unless you are counting fouling him and then bricking up 2 air balls on the ft's

Cannon Shell 08-11-2010 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 681487)
Rodman

I would still take Pippen. Could guard 1's, 2's, 3's and smaller 4's. Interior defending is easier than perimeter defending. Though it is really splitting hairs.

Interesting no one said the obvious name. MJ.

Antitrust32 08-11-2010 03:11 PM

I think Rodman has been the best rebounder in the past 20 years (was gonna say my lifetime, but that includes the 80's and I dont remember basketball from the 80's). He really cared about getting boards.

I also think Shaq was overrated. A guy like that should have averaged 20 boards a night. He should have been like Wilt.

Howard has the chance of being the best rebounder, but he doesnt have the killer instinct that Rodman had.. sometimes he does, sometimes he doesnt.

Cannon Shell 08-13-2010 01:13 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hallof...=100812-pippen


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