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Bogey 07-18-2010 09:43 PM

Night Officer
 
2yr old colt, by Officer out of a Coronado's Quest mare makes his debut at Delaware on Monday 7/19/10 Race 7 - #5 (10-1 ML)

RockHardTen1985 07-18-2010 10:12 PM

Gus I was looking at this race earlier...

The trainer stats on your horse.

Last 5 years, 2yr olds on dirt, first time starters

5/72, $1.41 ROI... Last winner was 10/8/07

So clearly this stat is really bad

Last 2 years, 2yr olds on dirt, first time starters

0/26

Kasept 07-19-2010 06:06 AM

Talking about this race on ATR later...

Of interest in here for historic reasons is Pletcher's Claiborne homebred CONGO. His family dates to E.P. Taylor, including patriarch WINDFIELDS, Taylor's first breeding shed product. Also notable on Congo's page is third dam FRANFRELUCHE, the Canadian filly that was a fine runner but especially prolific mare getting 18 foals including L'ENJOLEUR (Canadian HOY) and LA VOYAGEUSE (3X Canadian Champion). Franfreluche was also involved in an American version of the Shergar story (of sorts), having been stolen from Claiborne in 1977 and found on a family farm 5 months later. (The family had found her wandering down a road near their farm). All three were crowning achievements in the racing empire of famed Quebecois titan Jean-Louis Levesque, who died in his 80's while I was living in Montreal. He was a remarkable man on many levels, and long a role model for French-Canadian achievement.

Congo may or may not be much, but a Pletcher stat of note is that since June 24, his FTS have won 7 of 15 debuts... Pletcher also unviels ORALE VATO in this race.

Rupert Pupkin 07-19-2010 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 670935)
Talking about this race on ATR later...

Of interest in here for historic reasons is Pletcher's Claiborne homebred CONGO. His family dates to E.P. Taylor, including patriarch WINDFIELDS, Taylor's first breeding shed product. Also notable on Congo's page is third dam FRANFRELUCHE, the Canadian filly that was a fine runner but especially prolific mare getting 18 foals including L'ENJOLEUR (Canadian HOY) and LA VOYAGEUSE (3X Canadian Champion). Franfreluche was also involved in an American version of the Shergar story (of sorts), having been stolen from Claiborne in 1977 and found on a family farm 5 months later. (The family had found her wandering down a road near their farm). All three were crowning achievements in the racing empire of famed Quebecois titan Jean-Louis Levesque, who died in his 80's while I was living in Montreal. He was a remarkable man on many levels, and long a role model for French-Canadian achievement.

Congo may or may not be much, but a Pletcher stat of note is that since June 24, his FTS have won 7 of 15 debuts... Pletcher also unviels ORALE VATO in this race.

They tried to sell Congo at the Keeneland April Sale. She worked just mediocre. They couldn't sell her. They bought her back for $120k.

The filly that worked great in this race is Casperzapper but I don't know if she will like the dirt. Most of her dams's progeny were grass horses. In addition, the trainer is 0 for 18 with first-time starters.

Kasept 07-19-2010 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 670936)
They tried to sell Congo at the Keeneland April Sale. She worked just mediocre. They couldn't sell her. They bought her back for $120k.

The filly that worked great in this race is Casperzapper but I don't know if she will like the dirt. Most of her dams's progeny were grass horses. In addition, the trainer is 0 for 18 with first-time starters.

Thx for that Rich. I'll mention this morning when bringing up the race...

Also needs to be reminded that Ghostzapper's FTS are still just 1 for 55 into today.

And while Steve Hobby may not win a lot overall with his debuters, they run OK when well bet. He is 20% W's with firsters at 4-1 or less with 80% ITM from the last 25 that fit that profile..

Port Conway Lane 07-19-2010 07:50 AM

The 2b Yankee Passion worked in company in a May 3rd bullet with a Cindy Jones first out winner Raised With Pride who won on 5-26 at Delaware.

CSC 07-19-2010 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 670935)
Talking about this race on ATR later...

Of interest in here for historic reasons is Pletcher's Claiborne homebred CONGO. His family dates to E.P. Taylor, including patriarch WINDFIELDS, Taylor's first breeding shed product. Also notable on Congo's page is third dam FRANFRELUCHE, the Canadian filly that was a fine runner but especially prolific mare getting 18 foals including L'ENJOLEUR (Canadian HOY) and LA VOYAGEUSE (3X Canadian Champion). Franfreluche was also involved in an American version of the Shergar story (of sorts), having been stolen from Claiborne in 1977 and found on a family farm 5 months later. (The family had found her wandering down a road near their farm). All three were crowning achievements in the racing empire of famed Quebecois titan Jean-Louis Levesque, who died in his 80's while I was living in Montreal. He was a remarkable man on many levels, and long a role model for French-Canadian achievement.

Congo may or may not be much, but a Pletcher stat of note is that since June 24, his FTS have won 7 of 15 debuts... Pletcher also unviels ORALE VATO in this race.

I didn't know you once lived in Montreal...I have a serious weakness for Schartz's Montreal Smoked meat and their fries every 3years or so. I too remember that bizarre kidnapping of Franfreluche, when she was carrying a Secretariat foal I believe it was.

Kasept 07-19-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 670955)
I didn't know you once lived in Montreal...I have serious weakness for Schartz's Montreal Smoked meat and their fries every 3years or so. I too remember that bizarre kidnapping of Franfreluche, when she was carrying a Secretariat foal I believe it was.

Lived in Montreal 10 years. 1990-1999. 2 years in St. Adele in the Laurentians and 7.5 years downtown on St. Mathieu below St. Catherine St. To say I enjoyed my time there immensely is an understatement.

Schwartz's has been eclipsed as Montreal's best Smoked Meat over the last 10 years. My friend Elliot Kligman's family business, Dunn's Famous Smoked Meat , is a much more consistant product. Visit next time you go to MTL.

And as a matter of fact, visitors to Saratoga can enjoy Dunn's Famous Smoked Meat sandwiches at Saratoga at my Carolina & Co. Cafe across from the Carousel. ;)

CSC 07-19-2010 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 670958)
Lived in Montreal 10 years. 1990-1999. 2 years in St. Adele in the Laurentians and 7.5 years downtown on St. Mathieu below St. Catherine St. To say I enjoyed my time there immensely is an understatement.

Schwartz's has been eclipsed as Montreal's best Smoked Meat over the last 10 years. My friend Elliot Kligman's family business, Dunn's Famous Smoked Meat , is a much more consistant product. Visit next time you go to MTL.

And as a matter of fact, visitors to Saratoga can enjoy Dunn's Famous Smoked Meat sandwiches at Saratoga at my Carolina & Co. Cafe across from the Carousel. ;)

Never heard of Dunn's before, if it's better than Schwartz's that's really saying something. I like my smoked meat on the medium side, the fattier the better. Next time we are there, we will give it a go. Thanks!

parsixfarms 07-19-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 670935)
Of interest in here for historic reasons is Pletcher's Claiborne homebred CONGO.

I don't recall Pletcher saddling a Claiborne horse before. Are Mott, Stall and McGaughey out of space?

freddymo 07-19-2010 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 670984)
I don't recall Pletcher saddling a Claiborne horse before. Are Mott, Stall and McGaughey out of space?

If you can't beatem join them... Won pretty well.. I bet the over 8 like a complete sucker.

Pletcher running stock at Delaware in Mdn Spl's is ridciulous and speaks to Chuck's posts about too much stock in the hands of two few trainers. Until the medication playingfield is leveled off I wonder why anything will change?

Kasept 07-19-2010 07:17 PM

Looks like a 55 Beyer..

parsixfarms 07-19-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 671147)
If you can't beatem join them... Won pretty well.. I bet the over 8 like a complete sucker.

Pletcher running stock at Delaware in Mdn Spl's is ridciulous and speaks to Chuck's posts about too much stock in the hands of two few trainers. Until the medication playingfield is leveled off I wonder why anything will change?

Now the Hancocks are joining them. Who next, the Phippses themselves?

freddymo 07-19-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 671154)
Looks like a 55 Beyer..

Was hard to like the a Pletcher C team 2 year old regardless of the fine story.

RockHardTen1985 07-19-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 671159)
Was hard to like the a Pletcher C team 2 year old regardless of the fine story.

His 2yr olds in Maiden Special Weight races are winning everywhere. He had a Bluegrass Cat at almost 8-1 with Jara win at Deleware first out a few weeks ago, so even when not bet, they are still running.


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