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Alan07 05-18-2010 10:27 PM

Public will decide Monmouth's fate
 
Vote yes with your dollars at the mutual windows, as 50 racing days featuring $50-million in purses, including $12-million in stakes races, gets underway with a trio of $100,000 events on Saturday.

If the most revolutionary idea the sport has come up with since the Breeders' Cup fails, the industry will find itself that much closer to the abyss.

http://www.app.com/article/20100518/...e-track-s-fate

joeydb 05-19-2010 06:16 AM

Outside of the Belmont Stakes, Monmouth will be my first stop for any wagering while their meet is running. It's good for me -- great racing -- and it's good for them.

Dollars spent are always votes for, and dollars withheld are always votes against, but this time the decision makers are really watching the tally...

jms62 05-19-2010 07:10 AM

It'll be my #1 meet this summer unless it turns into its annual chalkfest which I do not think will happen this year.

johnny pinwheel 05-19-2010 07:11 AM

i think they will do fine, less racing but better product. the facility is opened less costing them less. even if the crowd is low some days i imagine the simulcast handle will be great considering the quality of horses they will attract. i know i will be betting those races, i'm one of those people that only bets on the major tracks.

GoIrish 05-19-2010 07:58 AM

I hope we see some MP selections and handicapping from Steve this year. I think a lot of people play along with his selections. ATR seems to have a pretty broad reach among fans and talking abut the MP races along with Belmont and Saratoga might influence some people to wager on them.

MP is my home track, and I will be playing on-line when I can't make it in person. I really hope this works because the alternative is too painful to think about.

- Brett

Holland Hacker 05-19-2010 09:35 AM

Not a huge fan of Monmouth although I practically grew up there in the late 80s / early 90s at least from a handicapping perspective.

I am looking forward to playing some of the multi-races bets especially the .50 pick 5 and the pick 4s with a relatively low take for pick 4s (I think 20% versus the 25% of NY).

I think the concept is great but knowing NJ and their politicians they will probably screw it up some how, which would be sad to say the least.

randallscott35 05-19-2010 09:40 AM

All my weekend action will be at Monmouth until Toga.

lemoncrush 05-19-2010 10:15 AM

Are they bringing back the 50 cent minimum pk 5?
That was a fun bet last year. Should be again with the expected increase in quality and field size.

ateamstupid 05-19-2010 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holland Hacker (Post 649211)
I am looking forward to playing some of the multi-races bets especially the .50 pick 5 and the pick 4s with a relatively low take for pick 4s (I think 20% versus the 25% of NY).

It's 15%, or at least it was last year.

philcski 05-19-2010 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 649221)
It's 15%, or at least it was last year.

Still 15%. One of the better deals around IMO.

http://www.monmouthpark.com/content.aspx?id=406

NTamm1215 05-19-2010 10:43 AM

A great deal of this depends strictly on their expectations. I've seen people throw around ridiculous numbers like a 100% handle increase. That's crazy.

I'm sure their handle is going to be up on a daily basis (simply because of 12 races vs. 9 or 10) but the types of substantial increases that people are anticipating won't be realized.

Those types of numbers require people to STOP playing what they had been and switch entirely to Monmouth. More people are going to be interested in Monmouth but it's unlikely they'll completely abandon the signal they previously played as well.

NT

Bigsmc 05-19-2010 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 649225)
A great deal of this depends strictly on their expectations. I've seen people throw around ridiculous numbers like a 100% handle increase. That's crazy.

I'm sure their handle is going to be up on a daily basis (simply because of 12 races vs. 9 or 10) but the types of substantial increases that people are anticipating won't be realized.

Those types of numbers require people to STOP playing what they had been and switch entirely to Monmouth. More people are going to be interested in Monmouth but it's unlikely they'll completely abandon the signal they previously played as well.

NT

Spot on Nick.

I haven't played Monmouth seriously in years, I will be curious and may play a bit this year, but I will probably stick with my usual summer tracks that I have data on.

I'm going to play where I think I can win.

ateamstupid 05-19-2010 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 649223)
Still 15%. One of the better deals around IMO.

http://www.monmouthpark.com/content.aspx?id=406

This matters more to me than how high the purses are. I'd bet cockroaches if you give me 15% take on Pick 4's. Which makes it a shame that the Ellis experiment was so short-lived.

philcski 05-19-2010 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 649225)
A great deal of this depends strictly on their expectations. I've seen people throw around ridiculous numbers like a 100% handle increase. That's crazy.

I'm sure their handle is going to be up on a daily basis (simply because of 12 races vs. 9 or 10) but the types of substantial increases that people are anticipating won't be realized.

Those types of numbers require people to STOP playing what they had been and switch entirely to Monmouth. More people are going to be interested in Monmouth but it's unlikely they'll completely abandon the signal they previously played as well.

NT

They are hoping for a 20-25% handle increase.

And some "experts" around here don't think that's attainable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 649231)
This matters more to me than how high the purses are. I'd bet cockroaches if you give me 15% take on Pick 4's. Which makes it a shame that the Ellis experiment was so short-lived.

Agreed- and I think you, I, and Scott played it every day.

randallscott35 05-19-2010 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 649234)
They are hoping for a 20-25% handle increase.

And some "experts" around here don't think that's attainable.

:tro: It will be done.

GoIrish 05-19-2010 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemoncrush (Post 649220)
Are they bringing back the 50 cent minimum pk 5?
That was a fun bet last year. Should be again with the expected increase in quality and field size.

I believe the answer is YES.

pointman 05-19-2010 12:14 PM

I will continue to play New York and will not play Monmouth personally. If I can make it through the winter playing Aqueduct, then I am not worried about the supposed quality of the product NY will put on. I find it hard to believe that Monmouth will have a significant effect on Saratoga.

lemoncrush 05-19-2010 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoIrish (Post 649241)
I believe the answer is YES.

Would love to see them bring back the Sixty Minute Six, too.
But I fear that was just a one-year experiment.

NTamm1215 05-19-2010 01:52 PM

There's something really nauseating about Jersey Breds running in an allowance race for 80k.

I know the first card will not be a fair representation of what will happen but that looks like a lot of the same old Monmouth horses running for far too much money.

NT


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