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randallscott35 05-06-2010 07:26 AM

Borel In Hall Of Fame?
 
http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/201...-hall-of-fame/

South Beach Luv 05-06-2010 08:02 AM

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It turned out to be a memorable occasion when the veteran George Cassidy opened the gates before the filly Move it Now was loaded
Always wondered if that has ever happened.

slotdirt 05-06-2010 08:18 AM

I didn't read the article, but I don't see how a guy who's now won three Derbys doesn't make his way to Saratoga.

gales0678 05-06-2010 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 644599)
I didn't read the article, but I don't see how a guy who's now won three Derbys doesn't make his way to Saratoga.


how could he be kept out

the most important race of the year in america

randallscott35 05-06-2010 08:28 AM

So if he had won only 2 he doesn't get in?

I mean Johnny V has a total of none and he is a HOF for sure....Maybe a bit too much emphasis on one race here. Not saying he doesn't belong but the Derby is not the only important race.

Travis Stone 05-06-2010 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 644607)
So if he had won only 2 he doesn't get in?

I mean Johnny V has a total of none and he is a HOF for sure....Maybe a bit too much emphasis on one race here. Not saying he doesn't belong but the Derby is not the only important race.

Realistically, there's the Derby, and then there's everything else...

slotdirt 05-06-2010 08:35 AM

Johnny V. could win 37 Westchesters, 23 Lake Georges, and 403 Stuyvesants, and it wouldn't match up to Calvin's three Derbys. Like Travis said.

gales0678 05-06-2010 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 644612)
Johnny V. could win 37 Westchesters, 23 Lake Georges, and 403 Stuyvesants, and it wouldn't match up to Calvin's three Derbys. Like Travis said.

travis is right it's the derby , it's the world series of horse racing , it may only be 1 race , but , it's the most important race every year by leaps and bounds

randallscott35 05-06-2010 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 644612)
Johnny V. could win 37 Westchesters, 23 Lake Georges, and 403 Stuyvesants, and it wouldn't match up to Calvin's three Derbys. Like Travis said.

Shouldn't riding ability count for something....I mean why not just induct every Derby winner and leave everyone else out. That's silly. He needs to belong on his total resume, not simply Derbys.

the_fat_man 05-06-2010 08:46 AM

I don't want Johnny V in the Hall of Fame. He's made a career out of riding those Pletcher juice jobs -- you know, the ones that just keep coming in the stretch-- and giving horses those abusive wide trips. When's the last time he even sniffed the rail? Mike the EUNUCH has more balls than Johnny V.

No EUNUCHS in the Hall. It's written.

gales0678 05-06-2010 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 644620)
Shouldn't riding ability count for something....I mean why not just induct every Derby winner and leave everyone else out. That's silly. He needs to belong on his total resume, not simply Derbys.


3 derby's is enough to even get chantal in randall , that's how it is

Princess Doreen 05-06-2010 08:50 AM

Maybe Calvin will get an Eclipse award which just might cement a place in the HOF.

slotdirt 05-06-2010 08:50 AM

Velazquez has had plenty of chances in the Derby and failed. Meanwhile, Calvin won on freaking Mine that Bird. I don't think anything else really needs to be said.

Besides, are we comparing JV to Calvin, or debating whether Calvin is HOF-worthy? You're basically saying that Warren Moon (JV) should get in the HOF based on a bunch of gaudy numbers before Terry Bradshaw (Calvin) who always won the big one. I think they probably both deserve enshrinement, but Calvin deserves it more.

ninetoone 05-06-2010 08:56 AM

3 out of 4 derbys is no fluke...he's gotta be a lock at this point. Approaching 5,000 wins too...it's a no brainer.

Kasept 05-06-2010 08:56 AM

Mike Kane was the long time communications director of the Hall of Fame. He's very qualified to consider Borel's resume on this topic, and what he lists as the accomplishments to date absolutely place Calvin on the HOF cusp. His career isn't over by a long stretch, so he'll end up with way over 5,000 wins. Fold in these late career heroics on the national stage, and I think you have to acknowledge that Borel is approaching Hall worthiness.

His major stakes wins (Wikipedia)

Breeders' Cup Juvenile (2006)
Kentucky Derby (2007, 2009, 2010)
Preakness Stakes (2009)

Super Derby (1991)
Arkansas Derby (1993)
Count Fleet (1995)
Falls City Handicap (1996, 1999, 2003, 2007, 2008)
Apple Blossom Handicap (1997, 2001)
Fleur de Lis Handicap (1997, 2009)
Essex Handicap (1998, 2007)
Clark Handicap (1999)
Kentucky Cup Classic Handicap (1999)
Bashford Manor Stakes (2000, 2008)
Oaklawn Handicap (2000)
Bourbon Stakes (2002)
Silverbulletday Stakes (2003)
Ack Ack Handicap (2004)
Stephen Foster Handicap (2006)
Amsterdam (2006)
Tampa Bay Derby (2007)
Travers Stakes (2007)
Sword Dancer (2007)
Alabama Stakes (2007)
Jim Dandy Stakes (2007)
Razorback Breeders' Cup Handicap (2008)
Golden Rod Stakes (2002,2008)
Hal's Hope Handicap (2009)
Fair Grounds Oaks (2009)
Fantasy Stakes (2009)
Kentucky Oaks (2009)
Louisville Stakes (2009)
Haskell Invitational (2009)
Woodward Stakes (2009)
Mother Goose (2009)
Kentucky Jockey Club (2009)
Derby Trial (2010)

philcski 05-06-2010 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 644629)
Mike Kane was the long time communications director of the Hall of Fame. He's very qualified to consider Borel's resume on this topic, and what he lists as the accomplishments to date absolutely place Calvin on the HOF cusp. His career isn't over by a long stretch, so he'll end up with way over 5,000 wins. Fold in these late career heroics on the national stage, and I think you have to acknowledge that Borel is approaching Hall worthiness.

His major stakes wins (Wikipedia)

Breeders' Cup Juvenile (2006)
Kentucky Derby (2007, 2009, 2010)
Preakness Stakes (2009)

Super Derby (1991)
Arkansas Derby (1993)
Count Fleet (1995)
Falls City Handicap (1996, 1999, 2003, 2007, 2008)
Apple Blossom Handicap (1997, 2001)
Fleur de Lis Handicap (1997, 2009)
Essex Handicap (1998, 2007)
Clark Handicap (1999)
Kentucky Cup Classic Handicap (1999)
Bashford Manor Stakes (2000, 2008)
Oaklawn Handicap (2000)
Bourbon Stakes (2002)
Silverbulletday Stakes (2003)
Ack Ack Handicap (2004)
Stephen Foster Handicap (2006)
Amsterdam (2006)
Tampa Bay Derby (2007)
Travers Stakes (2007)
Sword Dancer (2007)
Alabama Stakes (2007)
Jim Dandy Stakes (2007)
Razorback Breeders' Cup Handicap (2008)
Golden Rod Stakes (2002,2008)
Hal's Hope Handicap (2009)
Fair Grounds Oaks (2009)
Fantasy Stakes (2009)
Kentucky Oaks (2009)
Louisville Stakes (2009)
Haskell Invitational (2009)
Woodward Stakes (2009)
Mother Goose (2009)
Kentucky Jockey Club (2009)
Derby Trial (2010)

Additionally, he RARELY gets days for careless riding, is well liked amongst the rest of the jockey colony, and is a cult heroic figure here in Kentucky.

I absolutely think he's a Hall of Famer.

Cannon Shell 05-06-2010 09:11 AM

What jockey isnt a hall of famer?

Kasept 05-06-2010 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 644642)
What jockey isnt a hall of famer?

Billy Triollo?

randallscott35 05-06-2010 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 644642)
What jockey isnt a hall of famer?


Grade Inflation Is Everywhere. I agree.

philcski 05-06-2010 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 644642)
What jockey isnt a hall of famer?

Chin Yang?
Dashawn Parker?


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