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Kasept 03-31-2010 04:54 PM

4/2-3 (OP): Fantasy S. & Oaklawn H. (G2's)
 
10th (5:47) Fantasy S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 All Due Respect Gomez G K 117 L
2 No Such Word Thompson T J 121 L
3 Tidal Pool Borel C H 117 L
4 Blind Luck Bejarano R 121 L

randallscott35 03-31-2010 04:57 PM

Win betting only?

smuthg 04-01-2010 08:41 AM

wow... I continue to be amazed that they can't get more horses for this race. If I remember correctly, the year Eight Belles won the Fantasy it was a solid 3 horse field and I think Rachel only beat 3 or 4 horses last year.

VOL JACK 04-01-2010 09:11 AM

You think there would be more owners that would want to back themselves into a G2 placing.

Kasept 04-01-2010 09:28 AM

$2,000 to pass the entry box and $2,000 to start = $4,000.

$180,000 1st
$60,000 2nd
$30,000 3rd
$15,000 4th
$9,000 5th
$6,000 each thereafter

Now arguably, why should anyone with a nice forward-moving allowance filly go up against the four that line up here? What's the upseide? A lot would need to happen 'right' for you to get third ("black type"), and you may well have missed a softer spot, even a stake, elsewhere.

randallscott35 04-01-2010 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
$2,000 to pass the entry box and $2,000 to start = $4,000.

$180,000 1st
$60,000 2nd
$30,000 3rd
$15,000 4th
$9,000 5th
$6,000 each thereafter

Now arguably, why should anyone with a nice forward-moving allowance filly go up against the four that line up here? What's the upseide? A lot would need to happen 'right' for you to get third ("black type"), and you may well have missed a softer spot, even a stake, elsewhere.

Too many stakes?

Antitrust32 04-01-2010 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept

Now arguably, why should anyone with a nice forward-moving allowance filly go up against the four that line up here? What's the upseide? A lot would need to happen 'right' for you to get third ("black type"), and you may well have missed a softer spot, even a stake, elsewhere.

and that is the type of attitude that makes racing boring right now. I'm not saying I blame the owners, cause I understand WHY they would want to find a softer spot.. but it really hurts the sport.

Kasept 04-01-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Too many stakes?

Absolutely...

smuthg 04-01-2010 10:30 AM

they only got 8 for the Ashland, so between the two most logical Oaks preps (at least in the Midwest) we've got a total of 12 horses. that's kinda scary in and of itself...

Kasept 04-01-2010 10:35 AM

You know, I'll add another factor, and it contributes to the deleterious synthetic surface 'effect'. Why run your 'slight cut below' horse in a spot on dirt, where she may be simply too slow to compete, when you can now look ahead for a spot at Keeneland or Arlington where your horse's lack of quickness is mitigated by a surface that lends itself to their more modest ability?

tector 04-01-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
You know, I'll add another factor, and it contributes to the deleterious synthetic surface 'effect'. Why run your 'slight cut below' horse in a spot on dirt, where she may be simply too slow to compete, when you can now look ahead for a spot at Keeneland or Arlington where your horse's lack of quickness is mitigated by a surface that lends itself to their more modest ability?

Good point, sir.

randallscott35 04-01-2010 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
You know, I'll add another factor, and it contributes to the deleterious synthetic surface 'effect'. Why run your 'slight cut below' horse in a spot on dirt, where she may be simply too slow to compete, when you can now look ahead for a spot at Keeneland or Arlington where your horse's lack of quickness is mitigated by a surface that lends itself to their more modest ability?

Now they can wait for Dubai as well

DaTruth 04-01-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by smuthg
they only got 8 for the Ashland, so between the two most logical Oaks preps (at least in the Midwest) we've got a total of 12 horses. that's kinda scary in and of itself...

I'd say the FG Oaks, which had 11 starters, is a pretty logical KY Oaks prep, considering that four of its last five winners went on to win the KY Oaks.

Alan07 04-01-2010 02:56 PM

SATURDAY 10th (5:31) Oaklawn H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Duke of Mischief Coa E M 115 L
2 Delightful Kiss Gryder A T 115 L
3 Win Willy Berry M C 117 L
4 Jonesboro Court J K 114 L
5 Follow the Leader Quinonez L S 114 L
6 Prom Shoes Thompson T J 112 L
7 Dakota Phone Garcia M 116 L

cakes44 04-01-2010 03:21 PM

Now that is fantastic.

RockHardTen1985 04-01-2010 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07
SATURDAY 10th (5:31) Oaklawn H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Duke of Mischief Coa E M 115 L
2 Delightful Kiss Gryder A T 115 L
3 Win Willy Berry M C 117 L
4 Jonesboro Court J K 114 L
5 Follow the Leader Quinonez L S 114 L
6 Prom Shoes Thompson T J 112 L
7 Dakota Phone Garcia M 116 L

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG This is easily the worst group I can remember.
Where is Misremembered? I thought he was running here?

RockHardTen1985 04-01-2010 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Is it easily one of the worst grade 2's you have ever seen too?


Its not? Whats your opinion of it?

Indian Charlie 04-01-2010 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Its not? Whats your opinion of it?

Sorry. I misread your post as saying one of the worst group 1 you had ever seen.

You, of course, replied in the 3.5 seconds it took me to delete it.

But yeah man, that field is friggin awful.

RockHardTen1985 04-01-2010 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Sorry. I misread your post as saying one of the worst group 1 you had ever seen.

You, of course, replied in the 3.5 seconds it took me to delete it.

But yeah man, that field is friggin awful.

I said groups I can remember, not group 1. This would be a shitty allowance race.

tiggerv 04-01-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG This is easily the worst group I can remember.
Where is Misremembered? I thought he was running here?

Santa Anita Handicap winner Misremembered will skip the Grade 2 Oaklawn Handicap on April 3.

"He hasn't really snapped back like he was before" the Big Cap, Baffert said. "I'm waiting for him to show crispy-ness."

Baffert said Misremembered will target a race after "we get him right."


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