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docicu3 12-28-2009 11:00 AM
Janikowski 61 yard field goal......rule question?
 


Link for replay below...

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/team/cleveland-browns

Given that the only time a field goal is made from this distance it is a line drive with low flying trajectory, is it within the rules of the game to put a defender at the cross bar to deflect the ball as it passes.

It seems that this ball cleared by no more than 6-12 inches which for these guys is the equivalent of grabbing the rim of a basket since they are both 10 feet high.

I know you cannot use another players back to hurl yourself over the line of scrimmage but can you block a ball at the point it clears a cross bar and upright.

ddthetide 12-28-2009 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by docicu3

Link for replay below...

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/team/cleveland-browns

Given that the only time a field goal is made from this distance it is a line drive with low flying trajectory, is it within the rules of the game to put a defender at the cross bar to deflect the ball as it passes.

It seems that this ball cleared by no more than 6-12 inches which for these guys is the equivalent of grabbing the rim of a basket since they are both 10 feet high.

I know you cannot use another players back to hurl yourself over the line of scrimmage but can you block a ball at the point it clears a cross bar and upright.
as far as i know Yes it can be blocked. the same as, if it were short it could be fielded and returned.

timmgirvan 12-28-2009 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ddthetide
as far as i know Yes it can be blocked. the same as, if it were short it could be fielded and returned.
That would be a trick,wouldn't it!

ddthetide 12-28-2009 11:15 AM
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That would be a trick,wouldn't it!
i saw it tried once, a LONG time ago, on a long FG try. i don't remember who it was. i think a tall receiver with a good vertical.
i've also seen a short attempt returned for a TD. caught the defenders "napping"

MaTH716 12-28-2009 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
That would be a trick,wouldn't it!
Another great moment in Giants history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wuQ9kd_m2A

docicu3 12-28-2009 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ddthetide
i saw it tried once, a LONG time ago, on a long FG try. i don't remember who it was. i think a tall receiver with a good vertical.
i've also seen a short attempt returned for a TD. caught the defenders "napping"
Can you grab the crossbar and use it to get a better jump which is really what I was asking initially but didn't state the question accurately. So Mangenius actually missed a chance to look smart here as he should have had a defensive back or someone with vertical back at the goal line even if it was the last play of the half

ddthetide 12-28-2009 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Another great moment in Giants history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wuQ9kd_m2A
i didn't remember that. i was thinking, i'd seen it in a college game.

ddthetide 12-28-2009 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by docicu3
Can you grab the crossbar and use it to get a better jump which is really what I was asking initially but didn't state the question accurately. So Mangenius actually missed a chance to look smart here as he should have had a defensive back or someone with vertical back at the goal line even if it was the last play of the half
can not grab the crossbar. would be the same a the "pyramid" rule.

anything to keep 3pts off the board. think of the lift that would have been going in to the locker-room.

Crown@club 12-28-2009 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by docicu3
Can you grab the crossbar and use it to get a better jump which is really what I was asking initially but didn't state the question accurately. So Mangenius actually missed a chance to look smart here as he should have had a defensive back or someone with vertical back at the goal line even if it was the last play of the half

You either try hard for the push to block it, since its most likely going to be a line drive, or Mangini should had Cribbs waiting back there just in case it was short.

MaTH716 12-28-2009 11:31 AM
I think you probably have a better chance of knocking a ball over that might be a tad short (going to hit the bar), then to actually knock down or block a ball going over.

notyep59 12-28-2009 01:43 PM
Didn't some team back in the 70's try to sign Andre the Giant just for this reason?? Think it was the Skins.

PeteMugg 12-28-2009 02:11 PM
When will a hockey team sign one of these 900lbers to be a goalie. Just fill the damn thing up with pads and fat. Wouldn't even need the stick.

Bigsmc 12-28-2009 02:52 PM
The missed field goal returns were a regular part of the game before they moved the goalposts from the front of the endzone to the back in 1974.

Teams posted a return man in the endzone nearly every FG attempt.

dagolfer33 12-28-2009 03:00 PM
A field goal can only be blocked @ the line of scrimmage per NFL rules.

docicu3 12-28-2009 08:51 PM
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A field goal can only be blocked @ the line of scrimmage per NFL rules.

So you can't jump up and field the ball at the crossbar?

dagolfer33 12-28-2009 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by docicu3
So you can't jump up and field the ball at the crossbar?
I was told by a very reliable source, that the crossbar and uprights are to be treated similar to the goal in basketball. No player can touch a ball that in the officials view could actually touch the upright or crossbar. Similar to goaltending rules.

docicu3 12-28-2009 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dagolfer33
I was told by a very reliable source, that the crossbar and uprights are to be treated similar to the goal in basketball. No player can touch a ball that in the officials view could actually touch the upright or crossbar. Similar to goaltending rules.
Cannot find such a rule in the NFL rule book....

witchdoctor 12-28-2009 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
I think you probably have a better chance of knocking a ball over that might be a tad short (going to hit the bar), then to actually knock down or block a ball going over.

I remember seeing that as a kid. In think it was the St Louis Cardnials that have someone back on a long FG attpt to try to block it at the crossbar. The player missed timed his jump and knocked the ball thru the uprights.

dagolfer33 12-28-2009 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by docicu3
Cannot find such a rule in the NFL rule book....
It is defined under the definition of the goaltending, Doc. Rule 12 section 3 article 1 sub (s) GOALTENDING

docicu3 12-28-2009 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dagolfer33
It is defined under the definition of the goaltending, Doc. Rule 12 section 3 article 1 sub (s) GOALTENDING
That's the rule they used for Prop's on the field as when Ochocinco slipped the ref a single dollar bill. In this case the player isn't using anything other than his body....no big deal I Just wanted to actually read the rule that dealt with blocked kicks


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