brianwspencer |
11-04-2009 09:51 AM |
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Originally Posted by joeydb
Since this is a horse racing forum, was there any ballot initiative on whether it would be legal to breed two stallions to each other, or would that get reactions like
"Why would you do that?"
"That won't produce any offspring, genius"
"Isn't that cruelty to animals?"
On a more serious note...
Where the people supporting changing marriage rules can legitimately win is by taking the power to make, validate, recognize and dissolve marriages away from the government. Make it only a religious or independent social phenomenon.
Instead I think some desire to make this an implicit validation of their lifestyle by the government, which is not something the majority currently agrees with.
There's no reason the government has to recognize marriages. Currently, it's really only done with determining who can testify against you in court or determining income tax rates.
Strangely, many conservatives like the idea of limiting the government's power so a move like this might spark some alliances not seen before.
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I don't totally disagree with this, to be perfectly honest.
But in the meantime, the government confers a whole host of rights upon people who are married civilly. Nobody cares if X church down the street won't marry them, they care that the government recognizes the union and gives the same benefits. Read the link I posted above -- everyone likes to say that "oh they can just go get documents to do the same thing," and it's simply not true, because a hospital can keep someone away from their DYING PARTNER and that surviving partner has NO legal recourse at all. Try doing that to a married couple and see what happens.
And the bigger problem is that those who oppose gay marriage ENJOY the rights they get from marriage. No way in a million years are they going to choose to give them up. They like the automatic tax breaks, they like the automatic hospital visits, they like the benefits of marriage that the government gives them. Which makes the whole thing even more disgusting. Either let people in, or get the government out of civil marriage. Go down to the church, get yourself married, and have the government say "big f***ing deal, you still need documents to see your dying spouse...and maybe you can't even see her then," and see how much those opposed to gay marriage all the sudden care about "civil" marriage. The religious argument against "civil marraige" is utter BS.
And people wonder why they get called haters...and act all offended by it.
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