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gales0678 05-03-2009 07:15 PM

Mind the Bird - can he pair his new top
 
Can Mine the Bird pair his new top in the next race in 2 weeks ?

If he pairs it does he jog again?

The Indomitable DrugS 05-03-2009 07:17 PM

His name is not "Mind The Bird" ...

It's Mine That Turd.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-03-2009 07:23 PM

When Charismatic won the Derby the top 10 or so finishers were seperated by less than the margin MTB won the Derby by.

He dominated that field and will be less than 8/1

Gander 05-03-2009 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
Of course we cannot begin to speculate until we see the Preakness field, but I wonder if he will go to the post at higher odds than Charismatic's 8-1.

Depends who runs, but I am guessing right around 8/1.
Mr Fantasy will be the heavy favorite if he goes.
Anyone know if This ones for Phil is running?

The Indomitable DrugS 05-03-2009 07:24 PM

Mr. Fantasy will not be the heavy favorite.

NTamm1215 05-03-2009 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
Depends who runs, but I am guessing right around 8/1.
Mr Fantasy will be the heavy favorite if he goes.
Anyone know if This ones for Phil is running?

Mr Fantasy shouldn't be the heavy favorite in the Mike Lee let alone the Preakness.

NT

gales0678 05-03-2009 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
Depends who runs, but I am guessing right around 8/1.
Mr Fantasy will be the heavy favorite if he goes.
Anyone know if This ones for Phil is running?


gotta talk to ricky

Gander 05-03-2009 07:29 PM

Why wouldnt he be the heavy favorite coming off that Withers?
Hes pure speed and thats what people bet in the Preakness.
Who else would be favored over Mr Fantasy?

mbahadur 05-03-2009 07:31 PM

Take the Points is running but he will not be the favorite either.

Big Drama is a likely runner and could be the favorite. Musket Man's trainer was talking either Preakness or Belmont. Also Papa Clem's connections looked like they were considering the Preakness. I wouldn't be surprised if Pioneer in the Nile came back in the Preakness knowing the connections. I would think one of these 4 horses will be the Preakness favorite.

gales0678 05-03-2009 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
Why wouldnt he be the heavy favorite coming off that Withers?
Hes pure speed and thats what people bet in the Preakness.
Who else would be favored over Mr Fantasy?


go back and watch the race This One's for Phil got a bad trip

who knows is IWR out or will he be ready to go?

NTamm1215 05-03-2009 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
Why wouldnt he be the heavy favorite coming off that Withers?
Hes pure speed and thats what people bet in the Preakness.
Who else would be favored over Mr Fantasy?

You had to figure it wouldn't be long before the two biggest misnomers in horse racing made an appearance.

#1- That speed horses fare well in the Preakness because Pimlico is a speed-favoring track.

#2- That closers have it bad at Pimlico because of the "tight turns."

Mr. Fantasy CRUISED on an easy lead in the Withers while the runner-up was stopped in traffic at the 1/4 pole. His only two-turn win came in a NY bred allowance race and he's certain to face at least some pace pressure in the Preakness if he goes.

The idea of Mr. Fantasy even being a 7/2 favorite is crazy to me. Saying he'll be a heavy favorite? I doubt it.

NT

Gander 05-03-2009 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
You had to figure it wouldn't be long before the two biggest misnomers in horse racing made an appearance.

#1- That speed horses fare well in the Preakness because Pimlico is a speed-favoring track.

#2- That closers have it bad at Pimlico because of the "tight turns."

Mr. Fantasy CRUISED on an easy lead in the Withers while the runner-up was stopped in traffic at the 1/4 pole. His only two-turn win came in a NY bred allowance race and he's certain to face at least some pace pressure in the Preakness if he goes.

The idea of Mr. Fantasy even being a 7/2 favorite is crazy to me. Saying he'll be a heavy favorite? I doubt it.

NT

I didnt say speed horses fare well in the Preakness. I said people bet speed horses in the Preakness. And I think he will run better than you think in this spot. I hope you guys are right and he is nowhere near the heavy favorite.

mbahadur 05-03-2009 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678
go back and watch the race This One's for Phil got a bad trip

who knows is IWR out or will he be ready to go?


Page 9 of special Courier Journal section in today's paper quotes Mullins as saying that at this point, he would have to say that IWR would miss the Preakness.

cakes44 05-03-2009 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
I hope you guys are right and he is nowhere near the heavy favorite.

I hope like heck he IS the heavy favorite.

lemoncrush 05-03-2009 10:05 PM

Take the Points, Big Drama, This ones for phil, Mr. Fantasy...maybe Imperial Council, Charitable Man or Hello Broadway...who knows. Doesn't look like many from the Derby will go, due to minor injuries, etc...

Bobby Fischer 05-03-2009 10:28 PM

Take The Points is an interesting horse.

sumitas 05-03-2009 10:52 PM

Usually the Derby horses finish in the money . Those that did not run in the derby usually don't factor . But that's no guarantee for the future in this new age of steroid free runners . Will Mine That Bird have to pair up his top to win ? Or will less be enough ?

copying 05-04-2009 02:30 AM

The last time some horse was so lightly regarded after winning the Derby, Canonero came back and won the Preakness.....


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