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Hwjb 10-14-2008 06:48 AM

Breeders' Cup Sprint
 
I'm having to write a preview of the Breeders' Cup meeting and, given that my knowledge of US racing is, at present, negligible, I would greatly appreciate some help with regard the Sprint.
I've been watching some of the races on Youtube, and was impressed with the way In Summation shaped in the Bing Crosby but, on the back of that, I guess he's been a mite disappointing since. I guess we're looking for a closer, so would Abraaj perhaps get the thing run to suit? Any views on Midnight Lute's well being?

In the Turf I thought Grand Couturier looked good last time and, together with Eagle Mountain, felt he probably had a good chance against a bunch of Europeans who are likely to be over the top.

For the Classic Curlin looks to represent poor value and thought there was some sense in taking him on with Casino Drive and Well Armed.

Any views welcome on these races and any other. Thanks!

Harry.

zippyneedsawin 10-14-2008 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hwjb
I'm having to write a preview of the Breeders' Cup meeting and, given that my knowledge of US racing is, at present, negligible, I would greatly appreciate some help with regard the Sprint.
I've been watching some of the races on Youtube, and was impressed with the way In Summation shaped in the Bing Crosby but, on the back of that, I guess he's been a mite disappointing since. I guess we're looking for a closer, so would Abraaj perhaps get the thing run to suit? Any views on Midnight Lute's well being?

In the Turf I thought Grand Couturier looked good last time and, together with Eagle Mountain, felt he probably had a good chance against a bunch of Europeans who are likely to be over the top.

For the Classic Curlin looks to represent poor value and thought there was some sense in taking him on with Casino Drive and Well Armed.

Any views welcome on these races and any other. Thanks!

Harry.

Abraaj is out.


As it's a synthetic surface race... I feel it's very difficult to gage how horses who haven't run on it --or run much on it--(Fabulous Strike, J Be K, Desert Key) will do. I'd lean toward the horses proven over that type of surface: Street Boss, Cost of Freedom, In Summation, Fatal Bullet (watch his last race)
Midnight Lute is a total wild card with 1 race this year and coming in off a layoff.

Hwjb 10-14-2008 07:59 AM

Thanks for that.

Fatal Bullet was indeed very impressive, though it will be far more difficult to adopt similar tactics in the BC itself. Either way, I've taken him and In Summation against the field.

Any reason why Vineyard Haven can be backed at 16/1 for the Juvenile on Betfair. It's only available to a few pounds but surely it should be a much shorter price than that, no?

ELA 10-14-2008 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hwjb
I'm having to write a preview of the Breeders' Cup meeting and, given that my knowledge of US racing is, at present, negligible, I would greatly appreciate some help with regard the Sprint.
I've been watching some of the races on Youtube, and was impressed with the way In Summation shaped in the Bing Crosby but, on the back of that, I guess he's been a mite disappointing since. I guess we're looking for a closer, so would Abraaj perhaps get the thing run to suit? Any views on Midnight Lute's well being?

In the Turf I thought Grand Couturier looked good last time and, together with Eagle Mountain, felt he probably had a good chance against a bunch of Europeans who are likely to be over the top.

For the Classic Curlin looks to represent poor value and thought there was some sense in taking him on with Casino Drive and Well Armed.

Any views welcome on these races and any other. Thanks!

Harry.

Well Armed was going in the Mile. I don't know if Big Brown not going will cause anyone to rethink, but personally, I wouldn't think so. Same applies to Curlin if he doesn't enter.

Eric

zippyneedsawin 10-14-2008 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hwjb
Thanks for that.

Fatal Bullet was indeed very impressive, though it will be far more difficult to adopt similar tactics in the BC itself. Either way, I've taken him and In Summation against the field.

Any reason why Vineyard Haven can be backed at 16/1 for the Juvenile on Betfair. It's only available to a few pounds but surely it should be a much shorter price than that, no?


No. Frankel says he's not going to the BC. (as of right now)

From DRF.com:

Vineyard Haven may wait until 2009

Bobby Frankel, majority owner and trainer of Champagne winner Vineyard Haven, said he has not changed his mind about skipping the Breeders' Cup Juvenile. He is, however, leaning toward not running the colt again until next year while possibly keeping him on the East Coast.

Frankel has several reasons for skipping the Juvenile. First, he and owners Joe Torre, the Los Angeles Dodgers manager, and Louis Lazzinnaro, would have to pay a $180,000 supplemental fee. Second, the race is being run over a synthetic surface. Third, the Juvenile is in three weeks.

Frankel, who has shipped several horses from New York to Southern California already, is leaving Vineyard Haven at Belmont Park while he contemplates where to run the colt as a 3-year-old.

jwkniska 10-14-2008 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
Midnight Lute is a total wild card with 1 race this year and coming in off a layoff.

check out the work yesterday.... 5F in 56.80

also note that price horses do well in the sprint too.

smuthg 10-14-2008 08:38 AM

Keep an eye on Black Seventeen... Big performance at Belmont and bullet work on the Pro-Ride...

Linny 10-14-2008 08:46 AM

Grand Couturier generally prefers softer going than he'll get at SA. Vineyard Haven is 100-1 to even start.

CSC 10-14-2008 10:48 AM

The one thing I like about Fatal Bullet is he has constantly run faster as the season progressed, and while his last race was impressive there may still be an upside to him.

zippyneedsawin 10-14-2008 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
check out the work yesterday.... 5F in 56.80

also note that price horses do well in the sprint too.

I know he's been working out real well.. but the fact that he's raced once in a year puts him up against it in this spot.
and I doubt you get a price on him anyway. If anything, he'll probably be an underlay.

Linny 10-14-2008 07:10 PM

Lute worked like a shot before his one race this year and he finished...uh...did he finish. He was dreadful.

ELA 10-14-2008 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Lute worked like a shot before his one race this year and he finished...uh...did he finish. He was dreadful.

He got hurt again during the race.

Eric

jpops757 10-14-2008 10:45 PM

Sing Baby Sing interest me. Was running against Euroears early in the year and was competative. SBS appears to be rounding into form and will be a big price. If Euroears was fit he would probably be one of the top entrys in either the dirtmile or sprint ,

letswastemoney 10-14-2008 11:00 PM

I doubt you can win the Sprint off of one race. Midnight Lute's best days are over. :)

dalakhani 10-14-2008 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jwkniska
check out the work yesterday.... 5F in 56.80

also note that price horses do well in the sprint too.

??? you think midnight lute would be a price under any circumstance? ???

lostcode 10-14-2008 11:51 PM

I'm not a Lute Fan
 
I'm not playing him, but he does work like a monster. And Go back and look at what Gilded Time did off a year lay off in the sprint.

hrfan 10-15-2008 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
??? you think midnight lute would be a price under any circumstance? ???

i think "for him" it will be a price.
Street Boss will be bet heavily as well as Fabolous Strike and even Fatal Bullet, you should get 3-1 or 7-2 on Midnight Lute, and IMO thats a good price.

AeWingnut 10-15-2008 05:57 AM

I have no idea about the horses entered, that being said - The one thing I have learned is that you don't play horses that have been winning at 7 furlongs.

AeWingnut 10-15-2008 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
I doubt you can win the Sprint off of one race. Midnight Lute's best days are over. :)

My first thought is that horses that have been running all year don't do squat. The layoff horse is the way to go. Not endorsing anyone just looking at the history of the race.

Linny 10-15-2008 09:00 AM

What horse in the last 10 years of the BCSprint had not been "running all year" apart from Lute which had a strange season and went from the Forego to the Sprint? I don't recall the "fresh horse" winning. Nowadays the horse coming off 6 weeks or even 8 weeks is no longer considered a "layoff horse."


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