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Hwjb 08-07-2008 04:26 AM

AP Smithwick at Saratoga
 
Can anyone tell me what the ground is like at Saratoga at present? A very useful Irish hurdler/chaser called Salford City runs in the first there today. Gordon Elliott is a very good young trainer and Paul Carberry is one of the top 3 jockeys in the world. He thrives on firm ground and, for all I don't know anything about the opposition, is well worth looking out for, this race being used as a prep for a bigger race there later in the month, the name of which escapes me. There must be a chance he'll outclass them today, though.

zippyneedsawin 08-07-2008 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hwjb
Can anyone tell me what the ground is like at Saratoga at present? A very useful Irish hurdler/chaser called Salford City runs in the first there today. Gordon Elliott is a very good young trainer and Paul Carberry is one of the top 3 jockeys in the world. He thrives on firm ground and, for all I don't know anything about the opposition, is well worth looking out for, this race being used as a prep for a bigger race there later in the month, the name of which escapes me. There must be a chance he'll outclass them today, though.

It was listed as Firm on Wednesday.. and I don't think it's rained there since.. so it's probably still Firm as of now. (however, that could change by posttime!)

Kasept 08-07-2008 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hwjb
Can anyone tell me what the ground is like at Saratoga at present? A very useful Irish hurdler/chaser called Salford City runs in the first there today. Gordon Elliott is a very good young trainer and Paul Carberry is one of the top 3 jockeys in the world. He thrives on firm ground and, for all I don't know anything about the opposition, is well worth looking out for, this race being used as a prep for a bigger race there later in the month, the name of which escapes me. There must be a chance he'll outclass them today, though.

Harry..

It's been damp/dewy here but they called the turf firm yesterday. Showers possible later this afternoon but the Smithwick goes as the opene so Salford City should find the going pleasurable.

The Smithwick is the local prep for the Gr. I New York Turf Writers Cup later in the meet. The fact that Carberry visits for a tour of the National Fences Course is telling as you suggest. I understand from the NSA folks here that he is a good a jump rider as there is in the world. The Irish bred may indeed lay over these on class. There is a mare in here (#2 Guelph) that will try to wire them.

Hwjb 08-07-2008 05:02 AM

Steve,

Salford City is invariably ridden to make all, so I guess there's a chance they could cut each other's throats. Interesting to see that Padge Whelan rides Guelph. He was a fair rider over here and can't have been in the US for that long; any idea how he's getting on?

Do you know if it's possible to see the race anywhere on the net...I believe one of our racing channels is going to show it, but not live.

Thanks guys.

blackthroatedwind 08-07-2008 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Harry..

It's been damp/dewy here but they called the turf firm yesterday. Showers possible later this afternoon but the Smithwick goes as the opene so Salford City should find the going pleasurable.


Ya gotta stop.

kenny p 08-07-2008 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Ya gotta stop.

Thats funny.

scanman 08-07-2008 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hwjb
Steve,

Salford City is invariably ridden to make all, so I guess there's a chance they could cut each other's throats. Interesting to see that Padge Whelan rides Guelph. He was a fair rider over here and can't have been in the US for that long; any idea how he's getting on?

Do you know if it's possible to see the race anywhere on the net...I believe one of our racing channels is going to show it, but not live.

Thanks guys.

Hwjb,

This looks to be an excellent race.

Padge Whelan has done well here. His 20 mounts have yielded 6 wins, 5 seconds and 1 third. I had the chance to watch him ride at a few of the "country" meets. He is a welcomed addition to the "jumps" rider colony here.

Cannon Shell 08-07-2008 11:06 AM

Useless factoid-Carberry is the married into the Smithwick family...

cmorioles 08-07-2008 11:10 AM

Anyone participating in a steeplechase thread should be suspended for a week. I guess that includes me now.

kgar311 08-07-2008 11:14 AM

I like High Action in this race, first race back off two year layoff was ultra sharp, won under wraps. Has some backclass here and looks like another European horse that like the firm going rather than the soft turf overseas. Should stalk and make a good run to the wire.

Hwjb 08-07-2008 11:55 AM

Would appreciate it if someone could post the result after the race, as I've nowhere to see it live.

Cheers.

Hwjb 08-07-2008 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scanman
Hwjb,

This looks to be an excellent race.

Padge Whelan has done well here. His 20 mounts have yielded 6 wins, 5 seconds and 1 third. I had the chance to watch him ride at a few of the "country" meets. He is a welcomed addition to the "jumps" rider colony here.

It'll be fascinating to see it when I finally can!

Glad Padge is doing well. He rode a horse we had a couple of seasons ago and always did a sound job. How many jumps meets are there on average over there?

TheSpyder 08-07-2008 12:07 PM

Nice pick Kgar. What's funny is Andy picked this one as well while saying he did not know what he was talking about.

Spyder

ateamstupid 08-07-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hwjb
Would appreciate it if someone could post the result after the race, as I've nowhere to see it live.

Cheers.

High Action
Dark Equation
Salford City

Hwjb 08-07-2008 12:12 PM

Thanks a lot.

I'll post my thoughts when I get a chance to see it!

scanman 08-07-2008 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hwjb
It'll be fascinating to see it when I finally can!

Result:
1st - High Action
2nd - Dark Equation
3rd - Salford City

Salford City made all and led over the last. High Action caught him in the run-in, which is about 1/8th of a mile.

Riot 08-07-2008 12:23 PM

Wow - Salford City has an absolutely beautiful flowing jump to him! Very impressive. Lead easily throughout, really, he just tired at the end, his only slightly rough fence his last. High Action sat behind the pace, then accelerated through the inside to take it after the last fence.

scanman 08-07-2008 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hwjb
How many jumps meets are there on average over there?

19 country meets in the Spring and 12 in the Fall.

During the Summer the NSA (National Steeplechase Association) arranges races at various flat tracks. This year the following tracks hosted/will host races:

Saratoga - 11
Colonial Downs - 8
Philadelphia Park - 3
Kentucky Downs - 2

Last year Belmont Park and the Meadowlands each had a race.

cmorioles 08-07-2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by scanman
19 country meets in the Spring and 12 in the Fall.

During the Summer the NSA (National Steeplechase Association) arranges races at various flat tracks. This year the following tracks hosted/will host races:

Saratoga - 11
Colonial Downs - 8
Philadelphia Park - 3
Kentucky Downs - 2

Last year Belmont Park and the Meadowlands each had a race.

There are many other jump only meets around the country.


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