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my miss storm cat 06-30-2008 07:28 PM

Do we need something like this here?
 
... and by this, I mean an 11 scale system?

http://www.thoroughbrednews.co.nz/nz....aspx?id=35419

Rudeboyelvis 06-30-2008 07:31 PM

I fail to see the point of this

GBBob 06-30-2008 08:23 PM

This could be applied to me most mornings, although I'm not sure when I cross from one to the other below..

Is this for real?

Slow
8
Genuine Slow
3.9–4.2

Slow
9
Rainaffected, worse side of Genuine Slow
4.3–4.5

Scurlogue Champ 06-30-2008 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
... and by this, I mean an 11 scale system?

http://www.thoroughbrednews.co.nz/nz....aspx?id=35419

We need it for the synthetics.

RolloTomasi 06-30-2008 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
... and by this, I mean an 11 scale system?

http://www.thoroughbrednews.co.nz/nz....aspx?id=35419

Yes.

This is something we definitely need here in the States given the current popularity of the racing industry.

A rating system that features the word "Dead" prominently...

_ed_ 06-30-2008 08:57 PM

I think it's a good idea, but of course I would because it's something we're doing here.

Rain-affected tracks can differ so much, two tracks can both fall under the category of 'slow' or whatever but still be completely different. One can be loose and the other sticky, and there will be a lot of horses who will go in one of those but not the other.

So yeah I think it's good to have a bit more information. Although in our case it's an attempt to simplify it - what we used to do is drop a thing called a penetrometer (sounds a bit dodgy) into the track and measure how far it sinks in, and that measurement is the reading.

parsixfarms 06-30-2008 09:06 PM

I don't know how the ratings would be incorporated with the current hard-firm-good-yielding-soft system that we use here, but anything that would more accurately reflect turf condition, especially after a day in which it rained would be a big help to the wagering public. I use the Preakness card this year as an example. They listed the course as "good" but the very slow times from the Gallorette and Dixie suggested that the course, in reality, was a bog. Labeling that course as "good" was a disservice to those betting that card.

MaTH716 06-30-2008 09:26 PM

:tro:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
A new rating system, though, wouldn't stop track operators from listing track/turf conditions inaccurately.

:tro:

They can't get it right now, complicating the system would just make matters worse.

parsixfarms 06-30-2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
A new rating system, though, wouldn't stop track operators from listing track/turf conditions inaccurately.

Are you implying that these inaccuracies are based on intention or incompetence?

philcski 06-30-2008 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
Intention.

Definitely- people bet less when they see "off" tracks.

Pimlico on Preakness day in NO WAY was "good" turf, for example.


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