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Seattleallstar 06-16-2008 04:06 PM

So is it still Jack?
 
to the ones who still contend Jack is the all time best to ever step onto green grass. Are you naysayers ready to to concede Tiger is god with a golf club

Coach Pants 06-16-2008 04:11 PM

No. That's what records are for.

jwkniska 06-16-2008 04:12 PM

nope.

Jack - 18 major wins, 19 seconds
Tiger - 14 wins...... and a long way to go to catch that.

ArlJim78 06-16-2008 04:14 PM

tiger is a god with the club and probably nobody was ever as talented, but alltime honors still belong to jack. will tiger overtake him eventually? probably if things continue. but until then its still jack if you ask me.

Antitrust32 06-16-2008 04:22 PM

First off, Tiger and Jack are both Gods.

2ndly..

Jack has 20 Majors and Tiger has 17 (I Dont care what anyone says about those numbers!)......... TIGER IS only 32 ****ING YEARS OLD!


But I also dont care how many more majors tiger wins than Jack eventually, Jack is still a God (and you can make the case that Jack faced tougher competition.. well at least mentally tougher)!

GPK 06-16-2008 08:22 PM

This debate is very tough. You have two players that played in very different eras against very different competition. Jack competed against higher quality players closer to him, whereas Tiger plays against much deeper fields, but there are very few high quality players close to him.

Very different golf ball, equipment, course set ups, etc...

Jack certianly owns the records for right now, but it seems a matter of time before Tiger breaks those records.

Save Ben Hogan, I doubt there is anyone in the history of the game that is able to the things with the golf ball that Tiger does.

Scav 06-16-2008 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
This debate is very tough. You have two players that played in very different eras against very different competition. Jack competed against higher quality players closer to him, whereas Tiger plays against much deeper fields, but there are very few high quality players close to him.

Very different golf ball, equipment, course set ups, etc...

Jack certianly owns the records for right now, but it seems a matter of time before Tiger breaks those records.

Save Ben Hogan, I doubt there is anyone in the history of the game that is able to the things with the golf ball that Tiger does.

That shot out of the bunker was pretty serious.

One of my favorite shots is taking my 5w and hacking the **** out of sand, always seem to hit it well. :)

herkhorse 06-16-2008 08:37 PM

Tigers record of never losing a major when leading after 54 holes is very impressive IMO, and does he ever miss a put when he HAS to make it. Jack was a great putter too, but man. Putting is the one part of the game where technology hasn't made much of a difference.

It was a real treat to watch for these last 5 days. One for the ages.

The Bid 06-16-2008 09:27 PM

GPK, if Jack had the same technology as Tiger where do you rate them? If they were both 32 and Jack played with modern equipment

hi_im_god 06-16-2008 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
This debate is very tough. You have two players that played in very different eras against very different competition. Jack competed against higher quality players closer to him, whereas Tiger plays against much deeper fields, but there are very few high quality players close to him.

Very different golf ball, equipment, course set ups, etc...

Jack certianly owns the records for right now, but it seems a matter of time before Tiger breaks those records.

Save Ben Hogan, I doubt there is anyone in the history of the game that is able to the things with the golf ball that Tiger does.

i don't know. i was at this club in thailand...

GPK 06-17-2008 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
GPK, if Jack had the same technology as Tiger where do you rate them? If they were both 32 and Jack played with modern equipment


Tough to call. Jack was clearly a straighter driver of the golf ball and Tiger's wedge game is much better than Jacks. They are the two best clutch putters in the history of the game. The only thing that seperates them IMO is stritcly the numbers and Tiger still has some career left to him. Very little seperates them..

GPK 06-17-2008 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
i don't know. i was at this club in thailand...


That there is just downright funny...

Kasept 06-17-2008 05:33 AM

Hogan.. Ouimet.. Hagen.. Jones..

Coach Pants 06-17-2008 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Hogan.. Ouimet.. Hagen.. Jones..

Uh no.

Seattleallstar 06-17-2008 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
GPK, if Jack had the same technology as Tiger where do you rate them? If they were both 32 and Jack played with modern equipment

Id like to see Ben Hogan with todays technology vs Tiger if anyone it would be Ben Hogan. But Jack has nowhere near the physical and athletic gifts Tiger has so he loses there already, Tiger has more shots, more imagination, a better ballstriker, and he is the better putter. There is no more comparison between the two, only thing that is between them now is the 5 majors Tiger needs to break Jack's major record.

If anything though Jack is far and away the sportsman, gentleman, and class on/off the golf course. That I cannot dispute or would debate over.

GPK 06-17-2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Hogan.. Ouimet.. Hagen.. Jones..

Best ballstrikers of all time:

Tie 1st - Woods, Hogan
3rd - Moe Norman
4th - Snead
5th - Trevino
6th - Jones
7th - Garcia
8th - Nelson
9th - Watson
10th - Nicklaus

jwkniska 06-17-2008 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
Tiger has more shots, more imagination, a better ballstriker, and he is the better putter.

I totally disagree with the putting comment. Jack NEVER, NEVER missed a putt on 18 for birdie to win. Tiger makes more longer putts than Jack did... but I'd take Jack on a pressure putt on the last hole.
I do agree that Tiger has more shots and is a better ballstriker (but part of that is due to the better equipment of today).

When it comes to Jack and Tiger with course management, Jack blows him away.

GPK 06-17-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jwkniska
I totally disagree with the putting comment. Jack NEVER, NEVER missed a putt on 18 for birdie to win. Tiger makes more longer putts than Jack did... but I'd take Jack on a pressure putt on the last hole.
I do agree that Tiger has more shots and is a better ballstriker (but part of that is due to the better equipment of today).

When it comes to Jack and Tiger with course management, Jack blows him away.


I have a hard time agreeing with that. I'm not saying Tiger is better at that, but I think they are very equal. You figure anyone, that has the discipline to hit 1 driver in the course of 72 holes, in a major championship like Tiger did at Hoylake...that's the definition course managment. He missed 4 fairways all week...an amazing 91% of fairways hit in a major.

Kasept 06-17-2008 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
Best ballstrikers of all time:

Tie 1st - Woods, Hogan
3rd - Moe Norman
4th - Snead
5th - Trevino
6th - Jones
7th - Garcia
8th - Nelson
9th - Watson
10th - Nicklaus

What kind of a list is this?

Where's Gene Sarazen in these discussions?

And none of you have even brought up Babe Didrickson...

Seattleallstar 06-17-2008 01:08 PM

yeah Kev your slackin on your pimpin man. Wheres Davis Love for god sakes?


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