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Here are the winning Beyer Speed Figures from last week's stakes races:

*Dixie (Pim): Pays to Dream (D. Donk/J. Castellano) - 107

*John Wayne (PrM): Red Hot N Gold (K. Von Hemel/K. Shino) - 105
*Fit to Fight (Bel): Delosvientos (G. Iadsernia/E. Coa) - 102
*Pimlico Special (Pim): Student Council (S. Asmussen/S. Bridgmohan) - 102
*Champali (Crc): Blue Pepsi Lodge (K. Ziadie/W. Henry) - 101
*Hirsch Jacobs (Pim): Lantana Mob (S. Asmussen/R. Albarado) - 101
*Ford Express (LS): Wind Water (C. Hartman/K. Tohill) - 101
*Preakness (Pim): Big Brown (R. Dutrow Jr./K. Desormeaux) - 100
*Free Spirit's Joy (LaD): Bluehard (F. Leggio/C. Hernandez) - 100
*Shuvee (Bel): Cowgirls Don't Cry (K. McLaughlin/M. Luzzi) - 100

*Upper Noosh (Bel): Genuine Devotion - Ire (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) - 99
*Lazaro Barrera Memorial (Hol): Two Step Salsa (J. Canani/M. Pedroza) - 99
*Gallorette (Pim): Roshani (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) - 97
*Hastings Park (EmD): Private Dreams (J. Hollendorfer/L. Mawing) - 96
*Mt. Vernon (Bel): Them There Eyes (K. Feron/J. Espinoza) - 96
*El Segundo (Hol): Canteen (N. Drysdale/R. Bejarano) - 95
*Matt Winn (CD): Eaton's Gift (D. Romans/E. Trujillo) - 95
*Turf Sprint (Pim): Heros Reward (D. Capuano/J. Castellano) - 95
*Waterford Park (Mnr): Reigning Court (S. Sowle/M. Doser) - 94
*Desert Stormer (Hol): Ashley's Kitty (T. West/J. Talamo) - 94
*Allaire DuPont Distaff (Pim): Buy the Barrel (J. Jones/G. Saez) - 94
*Hancock County (Mnr): La Chica Rica (C. Pickett/D. Parker) - 94
*Winter Melody (Del): Lemon Drop Mom (T. Ritchey/J. Caraballo) - 94
*Maryland Sprint (Pim): Starforaday (E. Prado/G. Contessa) - 94
*Ride the Rails (Crc): Mambo Meister (P. Gleaves/M. Cruz) - 93
*Adjudicating (Bel): Ready's Image (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) - 93
*Barbaro (Pim): Roman Emperor (S. Klesaris/J. Rose) - 93
*Trevose (Pha): Dulce Realidad (R. Vega/J. Flores) - 92
*Big Earl (LaD): John Charles (S. Breaux/G. Melancon) - 92
*Will Rogers (Hol): Polonius (M. Pender/J. Court) - 92
*Black-Eyed Susan (Pim): Sweet Vendetta (G. Contessa/C. Hill) - 92
*Long Beach (Hol): Wake Up Maggie - Ire (J. Canani/J. Talamo) - 92
*Skipat (Pim): Akronism (T. Ritchey/P. Morales) - 91
*Miss Preakness (Pim): Palanka City (T. Gestes/C. Emigh) - 91
*Polly's Jet (Del): African Violet (H. Motion/R. Dominguez) - 90
*Golden Poppy (GG): Misty Ocean (J. Hollendorfer/F. Alvarado) - 90

*Powder Doll Starter (LaD): Coach Mike (T. Richey/D. Saenz) - 89
*Golden Bear (GG): Nevada Worrier (J. Wallace II/A. Delgadillo) - 89
*OTA Classic (WRD): Marq French (D. Von Hemel/D. Pettinger) - 88
*Lulu's Ransom (Crc): Mysterious Jule (L. Scace/E. Nunez) - 88
*The Very One (Pim): All Giving (F. Stites/E. Rodriguez) - 87
*Emerald Downs (Hst): Dancing Allstar (T. Jordan/M. Gutierrez) - 87
*John Franks Memorial (LaD): Desert Wheat (W. Mott/F. Torres) - 86
*Teeworth Plate (StP): Footprint (J. Petrowski/R. Simard) - 85
*Reluctant Guest (AP): Forever Together (J. Sheppard/E. Fires) - 85
*Speed (Lnn): Doc Tanner (B. Roberts/C. Fackler) - 84
*Just Smashing (Mth): D'wild Ride (J. Orseno/J. Bravo) - 84
*Jim Coleman Province (Hst): Peaceful Turzia (T. Taylor/F. Perez) - 83
*Mamie Eisenhower (PrM): Beyond the Reach (J. Barkley/C. Montalvo) - 82

Pretty funny that they called the turf course 'good' and then the Dixie goes out and is run in 1:54.74, with a 7 1/2-length winner no less. :rolleyes:

I thought Student Council was just an allowance horse that can only win Gr1's on polytrack.

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I thought Student Council was just an allowance horse that can only win Gr1's on polytrack.

He won the Donald Schafer being run under the name Pimlico Special. That was no G1 race with the purse cut. And a 102 should be an allowance horse, not a G1 winner.

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He won the Donald Schafer being run under the name Pimlico Special. That was no G1 race with the purse cut. And a 102 should be an allowance horse, not a G1 winner.

Amen. The figures show he's still an allowance horse. The thing is.......so is everyone else.

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You've been sitting on this one awful long. Ironic that when he was up the track in his last few no one said anything, but okay. It's funny, but almost immediately after the race I figured someone would dig it up. I can admit when i'm wrong and I was wrong about him.

I wasn't sitting on it really, it just hit me looking at the BSF's and seeing him near the top. thats fair, I think he was under estimated a bit by some. another trainer change may have him moving forward again. he has a bit of fight in him although its not always evident. I thought running down Gotcha Gold in the slop was not a bad effort.

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Dixie-Pays to Dream 107 (!)

107 doesn't do justice to this effort. Is there a better performance on the turf this year? (rail run and all)

P.S. where the **** was this guy 1st time out this year at AQU?

I tend to discount performances like that on soft turfs. Some horses seem to handle the wet ground better than others. If only one horse really seems to thrive over the footing his performance will look much better than it really was.

DrugS

He got a very nice setup in terms of position, no doubt, and perhaps he, of all the others, preferred the going

but

the chart for his race looks like that of a typical off track (a 'wipeout)

these are very, very rare in turf races

and

the 2nd and 3rd place finishers ran 1-2 around the track --- so, it's not like he got a great setup pacewise, as nothing else ran from the rear

I don't do numbers and maybe this is explainable in terms of the off going but this is a HUGE EFFORT.

Oh - it was no doubt a tremendously dominating performance. No way could I knock it individually.

I just am very skeptical he can run back close to it on a typical firm turf course.

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

107 doesn't do justice to this effort. Is there a better performance on the turf this year? (rail run and all)

P.S. where the **** was this guy 1st time out this year at AQU?

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it looked to good to be true. I was astonished at that stretch run..

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

107 doesn't do justice to this effort. Is there a better performance on the turf this year? (rail run and all)

P.S. where the **** was this guy 1st time out this year at AQU?

Where the hell has this guy been his last 3 starts? Finished pretty well in the Jamaica, but lost his rider @ MTH, and did nothing in a weak Ft. Marcy. I knew he had talent, and if he ran back to the Glow Stakes (which was a key race last year) he had a chance in what figured to be a wide open race (despite "SHAKLS" getting bet down to even money), but in no way did I expect that.

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I thought Student Council was just an allowance horse that can only win Gr1's on polytrack.

My friend owns a horse that runs in 16k str alw's at CD,$21k purse. It usually takes an 85-90 beyer to win with the likes of Stratostar; (99) this year, Self made man; (95) this year, and Chestermite. Yet, a 100 can win a G1. Seems Beyer pars have been made a thing of the past.

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Originally Posted by philcski

He freaked on a soaked turf course that was not "good" as labeled. Huge efforts like that aren't too uncommon. Remember Brilliant in the Kent BC?

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

My friend owns a horse that runs in 16k str alw's at CD,$21k purse. It usually takes an 85-90 beyer to win with the likes of Stratostar; (99) this year, Self made man; (95) this year, and Chestermite. Yet, a 100 can win a G1. Seems Beyer pars have been made a thing of the past.

races like that can sometimes come up really tough and competitive, with horses that on their best day aren't far short of current graded stakes levels.

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Dixie-Pays to Dream 107 (!)
PIM Special-Student Council 102
Jacobs-Lantana Mob 101
Preakness-Big Brown 100
Shuvee-Cowgirls Don't Cry 100
Gallorette-Roshani 97
Dupont-Buy the Barrel 94
MD Sprint-Starforaday 94
Will Rogers-Polonius 92
Black-Eyed Susan-Sweet Vendetta 92
Miss Preakness-Palanka City 91

Just curious--why isn't Big Brown's Preakness 100 BSF showing up on the DRF's Beyer Leaderboard for 3-yr-olds? The list goes down to 100 BSF's. Lantana Mob's 101 is there. Did they downgrade BB to a 99 or is it an oversight?

--Dunbar