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sumitas 05-06-2008 04:32 PM

1st train to Keeneland
 
I think Jones said something like "she willingly gave her life." Just hold on a minute there buddy. Horses don't talk.

IMO if they could, and if it was explained to 8 Belles the circumstances of her demise, she would have said, "I'm on the first train to Keeneland."

No race horse gives their life. It is taken from them.

Coach Pants 05-06-2008 04:33 PM

Eat a bowl of synthetic and die.

sumitas 05-06-2008 04:40 PM

"Larry, you take one for the team," said 8 Belles. "I'm on the first train to Keeneland."

RolloTomasi 05-06-2008 04:43 PM

I think Jones said something like "she willingly gave her life." Just hold on a minute there buddy. Horses don't talk.

Do they at least understand hyperbole?

IMO if they could, and if it was explained to 8 Belles the circumstances of her demise, she would have said, "I'm on the first train to Keeneland."

Wow. What's more fantastic here? Talking horses or people that can see into the future?

[Whisper] I see dead people...er...horses...

No race horse gives their life. It is taken from them

They probably don't willingly ride on trains, either...

Riot 05-06-2008 05:06 PM

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I think Jones said something like "she willingly gave her life." Just hold on a minute there buddy. Horses don't talk.
You have the responsibility to at least get the quote correct and in context:

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"These things (the horses) are our family," a distraught Jones told the media shortly after returning to Barn 43. "They put their lives on the line and she was glad to do it."
Secondly, if you knew anything at all about horses - which it is painfully obvious you do not - yes, they love to run and are happy to do so; and their riders (Larry Jones in this case) pretty much do know exactly what the horses are feeling and thinking, and what makes them happy.

Kasept 05-06-2008 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
I think Jones said something like "she willingly gave her life." Just hold on a minute there buddy. Horses don't talk.

IMO if they could, and if it was explained to 8 Belles the circumstances of her demise, she would have said, "I'm on the first train to Keeneland."

No race horse gives their life. It is taken from them.

:rolleyes:


With each passing nonsensical comment on this topic, the stoking of the coal car on the next train to Bananation continues...

horseofcourse 05-06-2008 05:40 PM

I could have sworn she said..."Last train to Clarksville."

3kings 05-06-2008 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
:rolleyes:


With each passing nonsensical comment on this topic, the stoking of the coal car on the next train to Bananation continues...

Although the train to Bananation is ready for another rider........I know you are too kind. How about a practice ban on inane thread starting for Golden Missile's partner?

Danzig 05-06-2008 06:18 PM

but then what else would we do for entertainment?

Rupert Pupkin 05-06-2008 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
:rolleyes:


With each passing nonsensical comment on this topic, the stoking of the coal car on the next train to Bananation continues...

I kind of have to agree with Sumitas on this one.

I remember there was a very unsound horse running at Hollywood Park a couple of years ago that was taking a big class drop. He broke down in the race and had to be put down. Then Frank Lyons had the nerve to say that the horse died doing what he loved to do and that was probably the way the horse would have wanted to go. It really pissed me off and I sent Frank an e-mail letting him know. I told him that I'm sure the horse would have been much happier to have been retired and live a long and happy life on a farm. I highly doubt the horse wanted to have his ankle injected for the 20th time and break his leg.
I think it is a bunch of nonsense when you hear trainers make comments like, "I'm sure the horse wanted to go like that." I think comments like that are self-serving and an insult to the intelligence of anyone with a grain of common sense.

ateamstupid 05-06-2008 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I kind of have to agree with Sumitas on this one.

I remember there was a very unsound horse running at Hollywood Park a couple of years ago that was taking a big class drop. He broke down in the race and had to be put down. Then Frank Lyons had the nerve to say that the horse died doing what he loved to do and that was probably the way the horse would have wanted to go. It really pissed me off and I sent Frank an e-mail letting him know. I told him that I'm sure the horse would have been much happier to have been retired and live a long and happy life on a farm. I highly doubt the horse wanted to have his ankle injected for the 20th time and break his leg.
I think it is a bunch of nonsense when you hear trainers make comments like, "I'm sure the horse wanted to go like that." I think comments like that are self-serving and an insult to the intelligence of anyone with a grain of common sense.

Don't get me wrong, if Jones did indeed say that, it's a pretty stupid comment.

However, this is nothing more than YET ANOTHER attempt to prove that sumitas is a blind supporter of synthetic surfaces. We get the point.

MaTH716 05-06-2008 07:43 PM

Agreed it is a dumb statement, but you have to give the guy a pass. He just
tragically lost a horse who mind you ran 2nd in the Kentucky derby (not that it would have mattered if she ran 20th). And now he is probably being besiged by the media more so now that when he ran second last year. I am guessing that they have been peppering him on a daily basis, peope have questions and I guess he is the only one who can answer them. This is going to hurt him for a long time and I am sure he would like to start to move on away from this tradgedy.

hi_im_god 05-06-2008 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I kind of have to agree with Sumitas on this one.

I remember there was a very unsound horse running at Hollywood Park a couple of years ago that was taking a big class drop. He broke down in the race and had to be put down. Then Frank Lyons had the nerve to say that the horse died doing what he loved to do and that was probably the way the horse would have wanted to go. It really pissed me off and I sent Frank an e-mail letting him know. I told him that I'm sure the horse would have been much happier to have been retired and live a long and happy life on a farm. I highly doubt the horse wanted to have his ankle injected for the 20th time and break his leg.
I think it is a bunch of nonsense when you hear trainers make comments like, "I'm sure the horse wanted to go like that." I think comments like that are self-serving and an insult to the intelligence of anyone with a grain of common sense.

i agree.

(insert broad generalization about an event years past that no one can fact check).

(insert misquote)

(insert ejaculation reference)

i love animals.

Cannon Shell 05-06-2008 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I kind of have to agree with Sumitas on this one.

I remember there was a very unsound horse running at Hollywood Park a couple of years ago that was taking a big class drop. He broke down in the race and had to be put down. Then Frank Lyons had the nerve to say that the horse died doing what he loved to do and that was probably the way the horse would have wanted to go. It really pissed me off and I sent Frank an e-mail letting him know. I told him that I'm sure the horse would have been much happier to have been retired and live a long and happy life on a farm. I highly doubt the horse wanted to have his ankle injected for the 20th time and break his leg.
I think it is a bunch of nonsense when you hear trainers make comments like, "I'm sure the horse wanted to go like that." I think comments like that are self-serving and an insult to the intelligence of anyone with a grain of common sense.

If horses had the ability to reason i'm sure they wouldn't choose death but I think he was trying to say she loved to run.

Rupert Pupkin 05-06-2008 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
If horses had the ability to reason i'm sure they wouldn't choose death but I think he was trying to say she loved to run.

That is fair. I think a lot of these horses do love to run.

mnmark 05-06-2008 10:04 PM

Larry Jones said she gave us her all and she was glad to give it. Or something very close to that. He was very emotional when speaking about his fillie. He basically said that she was doing what she wanted to be doing when the fatal injuries occured.

GBBob 05-06-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mnmark
Larry Jones said she gave us her all and she was glad to give it. Or something very close to that. He was very emotional when speaking about his fillie. He basically said that she was doing what she wanted to be doing when the fatal injuries occured.

I mean..what could he possibly have said that wouldn't have been misconstrued??
His choices were..IMO

1) Nothing..never a good option

2) Maybe she shouldn't have run against the boys..not true and not good

3) The CD strip caused it...um..see above

4) She wasn't sound and I was hoping for the best..OK..not happening

5) Exactly what he said...Maybe debatable, but directly from his heart


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