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The Indomitable DrugS 03-08-2008 04:20 PM

Nice tactics by Indian Blessing's camp
 
You have a filly with tremendous early speed who has repeatedly staggered home through the stretch in all of her race except her debut at 5.5 furlongs - only winning each times because Indian Blessing fractures fields with her tremendous speed - which has always been on display in either the early or middle stages.

Gomez opts to rate her - takes away by far her greatest weapon (her natural speed) and basically turns the race into a 2 furlong stretch sprint with a filly who has always won inspite of staggering through the stretch.

That was really fun stuff to watch. You have a four horse field - two of which are VERY overmatched - and the connections of the more likely winner of the other two do everything in there power to give the other runner every chance.

cowgirlintexas 03-08-2008 04:25 PM

I was hoping Indian Blessing would not be on her game today and made a bet on Proud spell to get her revenge. Agree with you on the jocks ride however. She could have opened up very easily coming out of the turn..

ArlJim78 03-08-2008 04:27 PM

different tactics likely would have yielded the same result at that distance. she staggers home in all her races.

King Glorious 03-08-2008 04:28 PM

It's a long year but this one will be hard to top for stupidest ride. I only hope he was following instructions because I'd hate to believe he was the dumb on his own.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-08-2008 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
different tactics likely would have yielded the same result at that distance. she staggers home in all her races.

That is very wrong.

She could have easily opened up 5 without being asked - and only rated slightly instead of being strangled.

Though - if Gomez did that - the no-name jock on the winner would have had to use Proud Spell to keep her within a length or two.

Different tactics would have made things a lot tougher on Proud Spell - no matter how easy the breater, Indian Blessing is never going to accelerate in the lane.

King Glorious 03-08-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
different tactics likely would have yielded the same result at that distance. she staggers home in all her races.

They used different tactics at that distance the last time and the result was different.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-08-2008 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
They used different tactics at that distance the last time and the result was different.

There was a multiple stakes winning pace setting sprinter in that race (Miss Missile) to keep Indian Blessing from being ridden stupidly.

Normally - an early speed horse is best served by getting the kind of ride Gomez gave Indian Blessing today. However, Indian Blessing is not your typical speed horse...anyone who's ever seen her races should know that.

It's a lot of fun to see human connections give races away.

miraja2 03-08-2008 04:52 PM

I thought for a minute that Jose Santos must have come back and climbed aboard for that ride.

miraja2 03-08-2008 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
It's a long year but this one will be hard to top for stupidest ride. I only hope he was following instructions because I'd hate to believe he was the dumb on his own.

You wouldn't think he would be....but who knows.
He had a good day overall. I thought some of his other rides today were timed perfectly.

10 pnt move up 03-08-2008 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
You have a filly with tremendous early speed who has repeatedly staggered home through the stretch in all of her race except her debut at 5.5 furlongs - only winning each times because Indian Blessing fractures fields with her tremendous speed - which has always been on display in either the early or middle stages.

Gomez opts to rate her - takes away by far her greatest weapon (her natural speed) and basically turns the race into a 2 furlong stretch sprint with a filly who has always won inspite of staggering through the stretch.

That was really fun stuff to watch. You have a four horse field - two of which are VERY overmatched - and the connections of the more likely winner of the other two do everything in there power to give the other runner every chance.

my number one pet peeve...if you have the clearly superior pace horse you dont try to steal it and turn it into a turf race the last 2 furlongs. Sure if you are not as good and trying to steel it you try that but that horse has one advantage over the field, her speed.

Honestly though isnt that what Gomez does on all his mounts? He would rate Holy Bull.

Travis Stone 03-08-2008 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Different tactics would have made things a lot tougher on Proud Spell - no matter how easy the breater, Indian Blessing is never going to accelerate in the lane.

I thought this was the likeliest scenario today. Proud Spell gets run into the ground by Indian Blessing. Instead, Gomez gets cute and Proud Spell is handed the race.

Travis Stone 03-08-2008 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Honestly though isnt that what Gomez does on all his mounts? He would rate Holy Bull.

Very true... he's best from off the pace.

10 pnt move up 03-08-2008 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Very true... he's best from off the pace.

and for the record I was not criticizing his riding in general, just saying you know what you are getting with him going in.

Travis Stone 03-08-2008 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
and for the record I was not criticizing his riding in general, just saying you know what you are getting with him going in.

Oh yea, I wasn't responding thinking you were criticizing him. Indian Blessing needs Pat Day to come out of retirement. She needs that extra quarter tank late in the race.

I'll venture to say she wins the Test Stakes this year.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-08-2008 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
and for the record I was not criticizing his riding in general, just saying you know what you are getting with him going in.

Gomez is a fine rider - there's no doubt of that. I was his biggest fan on the old AOL boards - back when he was a rider who couldn't ever crack the top 5 standings out west and got awful mounts.

His ride on Hard Spun in the Belmont was also very interesting - he could have made an easy, clear, and unpressured lead with Hard Spun in that race - but instead he opted to strangle him off the pace and get drowned by Tiago in the process.

azerica 03-08-2008 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I thought for a minute that Jose Santos must have come back and climbed aboard for that ride.


:D

jcs11204 03-08-2008 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
different tactics likely would have yielded the same result at that distance. she staggers home in all her races.

thats wrong, your way off if gomez let her open up the race was over

jcs11204 03-08-2008 06:28 PM

dont get me wrong proud spell is a very very good filly, but today she should not have won

Round Pen 03-08-2008 06:48 PM

It made NO difference what Gomez did if they went 50 49 48 47 or 46 to the half Proud spell was going to be right off her flank that was there game plan going in. So to say Gomez gave her a poor ride is totally absurd. The better filly won today.

Danzig 03-08-2008 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Round Pen
It made NO difference what Gomez did if they went 50 49 48 47 or 46 to the half Proud spell was going to be right off her flank that was there game plan going in. So to say Gomez gave her a poor ride is totally absurd. The better filly won today.

i think he gave her a poor ride as he fought with her thru much of the race-an unwinnable situation for all involved. rather than expend her energy running, she had to fight her rider. she's headstrong, and he knows it. best thing to do would be let her run her race, and hope she had enough at the end.
had proud spell made an effort to stay with her early on with presumably faster fractions, she may not have had enough left at the end to finish strongly and pass the leader.


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