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Seattleallstar 07-16-2006 03:41 PM

Declan's Crap
 
another overhyped crap horse who lost to a claimer

2Hot4TV 07-16-2006 03:47 PM

Let me guess you were on LITF too........... One race back doesn't make a career.

ateamstupid 07-16-2006 03:56 PM

Wow. It's the horse's first start in sixteen months, he apparently got a poorly-timed ride at a distance he's not meant for, and lost by a head. Yeah, what a pig.

You gotta be kidding with this.

Betsy 07-16-2006 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Wow. It's the horse's first start in sixteen months, he apparently got a poorly-timed ride at a distance he's not meant for, and lost by a head. Yeah, what a pig.

You gotta be kidding with this.

I thought this was a joke, guess not. Wow..........I'll take horses like Declan's MOON every day of the year.......

Bold Brooklynite 07-16-2006 04:11 PM

Hmmm ... it seems like SOMEBODY ... I'm not sure who ... but SOMEBODY lost a big bet.

Yeah ... the ones who cost you money ... are all pigs.

Danzig 07-16-2006 04:18 PM

beginning to wonder if BB will ever post something original, or of significant use. to be honest, i'd even settle for of less than significant use!

i thought DM looked good, while his jock did not.


BB sure is hard to please tho--two horses who have earned hundreds of thousands of dollars and graded wins--yet he says they're crap. i think BB's opinions are worth that same thing.

Bold Brooklynite 07-16-2006 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
beginning to wonder if BB will ever post something original, or of significant use. to be honest, i'd even settle for of less than significant use!

i thought DM looked good, while his jock did not.


BB sure is hard to please tho--two horses who have earned hundreds of thousands of dollars and graded wins--yet he says they're crap. i think BB's opinions are worth that same thing.

Another member who needs to brush up on his reading comprehension.

Will someone explain to Danzig that I was poking fun at the poster who lost the bet ... not at the horse who lost the race?

I'd explain it to him myself ... but he doesn't seem to be able to comprehend my posts.

Thanks for helping out.

Rupert Pupkin 07-16-2006 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
another overhyped crap horse who lost to a claimer

I thought DM would win today. I didn't expect him to lose. That being said, I still think he ran really well. I didn't expect him to go three-wide in :44 1/5. In addition, I didn't know that Desert Boom would run his best and get a perefct ride. Desert Boom is no claimer. He won over $400,000 last year. He ran in a lot of graded stakes races last year and won one of them.
Anyway, DM ran a good race today. He should be very tough to beat in the $300,000 Pat O' Brien in his next start.

Gander 07-16-2006 04:40 PM

Cmmon guys bad ride? If he was good enough he would have won. He got outgamed by a horse with half the hype. If this horse cant overcome being swung a bit wide, then hes not a real racehorse. Geez, these bad ride excuses are a bit much. 4 horse field for god's sake.

Five Star Derek 07-16-2006 04:43 PM

Declans Moon is not going to be fully cranked up his first time out. Why should he be? There are much bigger and better races to be fully all out for down the road. An allowance doesn't mean anything to the trainer or owners. It's essentially a regulation workout. Highly regarded horses coming off long layoffs are sometimes huge underlays coming into races like this. The public jumps all over them. This can be an exellent wagering oportunity for an astute handicapper who realizes this and plays against the big horse off a long layoff.The public will underestimate DM next time assuming he's not the same. That remains to be seen. He could still be a monster. Lets not forget trainer intention.

Gander 07-16-2006 04:45 PM

Exactly. He wasnt given a "bad ride" either. You have to realize the jockey is going to do as little as possible in a nothing race like this to ensure the horse is fully set next time out. Anyone who bet him to win deserves to rip up a ticket.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-16-2006 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Five Star Derek
Declans Moon is not going to be fully cranked up his first time out. Why should he be? There are much bigger and better races to be fully all out for down the road. An allowance doesn't mean anything to the trainer or owners. It's essentially a regulation workout. Highly regarded horses coming off long layoffs are sometimes huge underlays coming into races like this. The public jumps all over them. This can be an exellent wagering oportunity for an astute handicapper who realizes this and plays against the big horse off a long layoff.The public will underestimate DM next time assuming he's not the same. That remains to be seen. He could still be a monster. Lets not forget trainer intention.

Yep,M Ainda,and Commentator were really in need of a race.Fact is these races like this are useless.Atleast this one occurred early in the program.

Rupert Pupkin 07-16-2006 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Cmmon guys bad ride? If he was good enough he would have won. He got outgamed by a horse with half the hype. If this horse cant overcome being swung a bit wide, then hes not a real racehorse. Geez, these bad ride excuses are a bit much. 4 horse field for god's sake.

Being swung wide would not be a problem. He wasn't swung wide. He was three-wide all the way around the turn. Not only was he three-wide all the way around the turn, but he was three-wide, head and head on the lead going :44 1/5. If you don't think that is costly, then I don't understand your method of trip analysis. That has to cost a horse a length or two. It's not as if DM is some speed-ball sprinter. He's a big, long-striding horse.
The winner got a dream trip. The winner sat 6 lengths behind. If DM and the winner would have reversed trips, what do you think would have happened? If Desert Boom went three-wide in :44 1/5 and DM would have sat 6 length behind, DM would have beaten him by 4 lengths. If DM would have simply sat 3-4 lengths off the pace, he would have won by a length or so.

hoovesupsideyourhead 07-16-2006 05:20 PM

the jock though he walked..then went o **** and rousted..nice horse and i think a whatever ride..

Rupert Pupkin 07-16-2006 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Exactly. He wasnt given a "bad ride" either. You have to realize the jockey is going to do as little as possible in a nothing race like this to ensure the horse is fully set next time out. Anyone who bet him to win deserves to rip up a ticket.

I don't fault Victor for not asking the horse at the head of the stretch. As you said, a smart jockey is not going to use the horse too much in a race like this, especially when he thought he had the race won. The problem with the ride was that he was head and head on a really fast pace. He should have sat 3-4 lengths off the pace.

packerbacker7964 07-16-2006 05:23 PM

MMMMMM....... bigger fish to fry maybe? Most people know to leave these kinds alone for a race or two. Yeah sometimes they win the 1st race back but at what odds? I'd rather bet a 5k claimer at Beulah than a horse coming off a 16 month break.

oracle80 07-16-2006 05:43 PM

You are a true imbecile Seattle.

somerfrost 07-16-2006 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
You are a true imbecile Seattle.


Don't pick on the boy, Mike...he's apparently going through another "poor little me" stage...don't believe me, check his myspace page...oh the pain, I can't stand the pain!!

oracle80 07-16-2006 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Don't pick on the boy, Mike...he's apparently going through another "poor little me" stage...don't believe me, check his myspace page...oh the pain, I can't stand the pain!!

Somer i am ashamed of him. Noone has tried to help him out more than me but hes a spoiled little boy. To then start posting on here like a 10 year old kid making up stupid degrading nicknames for big faves he bet that lost is simply unacceptable. Hes 25 going on 11.

oracle80 07-16-2006 06:04 PM

Somer i just went to his myspace and i am still laughing out loud, what a maroon, as Bugs Bunny would say.


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