Derby/Oaks Future Odds (5:20pm)
 

Derby (ML/Current)

1 Anak Nakal Nicholas Zito 20 34
2 Blackberry Road David Carroll 20 51
3 Bob Black Jack James Kasparoff 50 53
4 Colonel John Eoin Harty 30 20
5 Court Vision William Mott 12 14

6 Cowboy Cal Todd Pletcher 20 27
7 Crown of Thorns Richard Mandella 20 19
8 Denis of Cork David Carroll 30 47
9 El Gato Malo Craig Dollase 15 17
10 Etched Kiaran McLaughlin 15 27

11 Georgie Boy Kathy Walsh 20 70
12 Giant Moon Richard Schosberg 20 52
13 Into Mischief Richard Mandella 20 29
14 Majestic Warrior William Mott 15 19
15 Monba Todd Pletcher 30 15

16 Pyro Steven Asmussen 12 5
17 Signature Move Eric Guillot 50 99
18 Smooth Air Bennie Stutts, Jr. 20 99
19 Tale of Ekati Barclay Tagg 20 33
20 War Pass Nicholas Zito 12 5

21 Yankee Bravo Patrick Gallagher 20 47
22 Z Fortune Steven Asmussen 20 38
23 Z Humor William Mott 15 52
24 All Other Three Ye Bob Baffert 5/2 3



Oaks (ML/Current)

1 A to the Croft Kenneth McPeek 30 34
2 American County Dale Romans 30 96
3 Backseat Rhythm Patrick Reynolds 20 23
4 Bsharpsonata Timothy Salzman 30 34
5 By the Light Richard Dutrow, Jr. SCR

6 C Js Leelee Kenneth McPeek 30 47
7 Country Star Robert Frankel 8 4
8 Eight Belles J. Jones 30 21
9 Final Fling Jeff Mullins 20 40
10 Game Face Todd Pletcher 20 17

11 Golden Doc A Barry Abrams 20 36
12 Grace Anatomy Doug ONeill 30 54
13 Grace and Power Steve Klesaris 30 27
14 Indian Blessing Bob Baffert 8 4
15 Izarra Ronald McAnally 50 51

16 Jolie the Cat Steven Asmussen 30 34
17 Proud Spell J. Jones 12 12
18 Pure Clan Robert Holthus 12 9
19 Rated Fiesty Steven Asmussen 20 36
20 Sea Chanter Todd Pletcher SCR

21 Tashas Miracle John Sadler 20 89
22 Tizaqueena Michael Stidham 50 53
23 Turn Away Robert Frankel 20 48
24 All Other Three Ye Bob Baffert 5/2 4

Played two in each pool for the first round...

Derby : Monba & Z Fortune
Oaks : Eight Belles & Game Face

...but what the heck do I know

I passed on the Derby because of my horrible track record, lifetime ofer. But i did throw a 50 on eight Belles for the heck of it. At least if she makes it she wont be running in a 20 horse field....

Went with the following bets:

100 - Cowboy Cal
50 - Z Humor
50 - Denis of Cork

$100 Smooth Air (187-1 with under 5 minutes left and is 75-1 in Vegas at the moment)

$50 Into Mischief (29-1, while 30-1 in Vegas. And he races about an hour AFTER the pool closes)

187-1 on Smooth Air is way too high. . . His beyers are higher than a bunch of these horses and his tomlinson rating for 10F is actually pretty decent. . . I was thinking he was a sprinter type but now i'm not so sure. . . wish I had looked before the pools closed. . .

Anyone have the exact closing odds?

--Dunbar

Oaks

30 90 23 30 --- 45 9/2 22 45 18 30 50 25 4 40 35 8 10 35 --- 70 45 45 9/2

derby

30
45
50
19
15
25
18
45
16
25
60
50
25
18
16
5
99
99
30
6
45
35
45
3

These are incorrect, Bloodhorse has the odds but they are NOT EXACT, which I am guessing Dunbar is looking for, meaning like 33.20-1 type stuff

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=43590

whatever ...got these from brisbet/twinspires...not the most reliable source

seeing you can read minds... who is going to win the 3rd at GP tomorrow?

Went against my brain and went with my heart

$15 Colonel John
$10Dennis of cork
$20 Monba
$20 Zhumor

I know, i know i took way too low 19-1 on colonel john esp after mishief got beat but for some odd reason i just liek the way he runs. I wish there was a way for him to run east b4 the bid dance

Dennis of Cork at 46-1 i figured what the heck maybe he will bloom into one to watch and at 45-1 i'll take a shot what the heck it was $10

Monba- I really like this horse a lot other then being a grey :) his pedigree, trainer TP has gotta get one one of these days right??? I just think the horse can run the distance.16-1 was a little lower then i wanted but dammit i wanted to put something on him

zhumor- at 45-1 on a horse that hasant run that bad on dry surface routing i cfouldn't pass up and he is bred pretty well with Dist humor on top and an AP mare on the bottom. His tomlinson for what it is worth is pretty big.

oh well, maybe i'll have some fun with it for a little while anyway

Right. I want to know the "will pays" or the fractional odds. The "All others" could be anything from 3-1 up to 3.4-1.

Some years they've shown the amounts bet on each entry. They did a lousy job with the "live" odds this year.

--Dunbar

FINAL ODDS


DERBY

1 Anak Nakal Nicholas Zito 20 33
2 Blackberry Road David Carroll 20 47
3 Bob Black Jack James Kasparoff 50 58
4 Colonel John Eoin Harty 30 19
5 Court Vision William Mott 12 15

6 Cowboy Cal Todd Pletcher 20 26
7 Crown of Thorns Richard Mandella 20 18
8 Denis of Cork David Carroll 30 46
9 El Gato Malo Craig Dollase 15 16
10 Etched Kiaran McLaughlin 15 26

11 Georgie Boy Kathy Walsh 20 69
12 Giant Moon Richard Schosberg 20 51
13 Into Mischief Richard Mandella 20 26
14 Majestic Warrior William Mott 15 18
15 Monba Todd Pletcher 30 16

16 Pyro Steven Asmussen 12 5
17 Signature Move Eric Guillot 50 99
18 Smooth Air Bennie Stutts, Jr. 20 99
19 Tale of Ekati Barclay Tagg 20 33
20 War Pass Nicholas Zito 12 6

21 Yankee Bravo Patrick Gallagher 20 48
22 Z Fortune Steven Asmussen 20 37
23 Z Humor William Mott 15 45
24 All Other Three 5/2 3




OAKS

1 A to the Croft Kenneth McPeek 30 31
2 American County Dale Romans 30 95
3 Backseat Rhythm Patrick Reynolds 20 23
4 Bsharpsonata Timothy Salzman 30 30
5 By the Light Richard Dutrow, Jr. SCR
6 C Js Leelee Kenneth McPeek 30 48
7 Country Star Robert Frankel 8 9/2
8 Eight Belles J. Jones 30 22
9 Final Fling Jeff Mullins 20 45
10 Game Face Todd Pletcher 20 18
11 Golden Doc A Barry Abrams 20 32
12 Grace Anatomy Doug ONeill 30 59
13 Grace and Power Steve Klesaris 30 28
14 Indian Blessing Bob Baffert 8 4
15 Izarra Ronald McAnally 50 42
16 Jolie the Cat Steven Asmussen 30 35
17 Proud Spell J. Jones 12 8
18 Pure Clan Robert Holthus 12 10
19 Rated Fiesty Steven Asmussen 20 39
20 Sea Chanter Todd Pletcher SCR
21 Tashas Miracle John Sadler 20 76
22 Tizaqueena Michael Stidham 50 48
23 Turn Away Robert Frankel 20 47
24 All Other Three Ye 5/2 9/2

This is the only parimutual win bet in racing where you don't get to see how much was bet on each entry. (In most if not all previous years of the Future Wager, you DID get to see the individual amounts.) There's a big difference between 3.00-1 and 3.40-1. Do we really have to wait 3 months to possibly find out what odds we have?

--Dunbar

What odds do you get? What they are when you make the wager or what the odds are when the pool closes?

The exact odds are up on the Derby site now. You just have to poke around.

It appears Smooth Air was 159-1, not 187-1. The pool totals given by TwinSpires.com must have been inaccurate when I made my originial calculations. That, or more money came in after 6pm. I thought I had accounted for the takeout, because the pool total on KentuckyDerby.com was well over $400k, and the pool total shown on TwinSpires.com was $390k. So I thought it was safe to assume the $390k was after the takeout. But perhaps it wasn't.

At closing..

Interesting...$439,379 is the lowest amount wagered since the inception of the Future Wager in 1999....the bet seems to have lost some of it's appeal. Maybe now they will rethink their stance and possibly add the entire field of nominations into the pool next year instead of the paltry 24 entries.

here are the final odds