what do ou think post time odds for Kip
 

will be. Is he worth a bet without steppenwolfer in the race. Any value at all here?

3-1 or 5-2. Not with my money but you like him so don't get thrown off by the haters.

Zero value in that field...IMO

Yeah, no value at all....maybe even less than 5/2...he will be an attractive betting interest to the large bettors because he is lone speed and second-time Dutrow, plus he gets a HUGE rider change....many factors that will make him the definate favorite....also, there are no Showing Ups in this field and he will get credit for that too....

I say prolly worse the 5/2. No money to be made off him

(But Please Bet Him if you want) It's great for us who don't like him

All the Steppenwolfer guys are now Kip Deville guys or Go Between guys