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Kasept 10-16-2007 01:50 PM

BC: Juv; Juv-F; Juv-T (PP's/Odds)
 
Juvenile Turf

9th (5:00) Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf S.

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 1 Your Round Castro E Hubley Mark 122 L 30-1
2 2 Cannonball Trujillo E Ward Wesley A 122 LA 50-1
3 3 The Leopard Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 122 LA 8-1
4 4 Cherokee Triangle Albarado R J Maker Michael J 122 LA 10-1
5 5 Strike the Deal Dettori L Noseda Jeremy 122 FTL 9-2
6 6 Gio Ponti Dominguez R A Clement Christophe 122 L 8-1
7 7 Nownownow Leparoux J R Parisel Francois 122 L 10-1
8 8 Achill Island (IRE) Murtagh J P O'Brien Aidan P 122 FTL 7-2
9 9 Prussian Desormeaux K J Mott William I 122 LA 3-1
10 10 Preachin Man Velasquez C Werner Ronny 122 LA 50-1
11 11 Texas Fever Gomez G K Stidham Michael 122 L 30-1
12 12 Domestic Fund (IRE) Smullen P J Weld Dermot K 122 Blk-On FTL 5-1


Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Daily Double (Race 9 -10)

Kasept 10-17-2007 10:13 AM

Juvenile Fillies


4th (12:30) Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (G1)
1 1/16 Miles | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000

1 1 Phantom Income Coa E M Violette, Jr. R A 119 LA 30-1
2 2 Clearly Foxy Husbands P Casse Mark 119 LA 30-1
3 3 Tasha's Miracle Flores D R Sadler John W 119 Blk-On L 10-1
4 4 Indian Blessing Gomez G K Baffert Bob 119 LA 3-1
5 5 Irish Smoke Leparoux J R Parisel Francois 119 L 8-1
6 6 Set Play Blanc B Miller Peter 119 L 20-1
7 7 Backseat Rhythm Castellano J J Reynolds Patrick L 119 L 12-1
8 8 Izarra Espinoza V McAnally Ronald 119 L 6-1
9 9 Smarty Deb Frazier R L Harwood Doris 119 LA 30-1
10 10 Proud Spell Saez G Jones J Larry 119 LA 5-1
11 11 Zee Zee Albarado R J Mott William I 119 LA 30-1
12 12 Grace Anatomy Dettori L O'Neill Doug 119 L 10-1
XX XX Cry and Catch Me SCR
14 14 A to the Croft Desormeaux K J McPeek Kenneth G 119 Blk-On LA 10-1


Exacta / Trifecta / Superfecta Pick 3 (Races 4-5-6) / Pick 4 (Races 4-5-6-7)

Kasept 10-17-2007 10:15 AM

Juvenile


5th (1:10) Bessemer Trust Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $2,000,000


1 1 Z Humor Desormeaux K J Mott William I 122 Blk-On LA 12-1
2 2 War Pass Velasquez C Zito Nicholas P 122 L 5-2
3 3 Kodiak Kowboy Velazquez J R Asmussen Steven M 122 L 8-1
4 4 Slew's Tiznow Leparoux J R Parisel Francois 122 L 15-1
5 5 Shore Do Smith M E Peery Chuck 122 Blk-On L 30-1
6 6 Overextended Dettori L O'Neill Doug 122 L 50-1
7 7 Pyro Bridgmohan S X Asmussen Steven M 122 L 6-1
8 8 Globalization Castellano J J Violette, Jr. R A 122 LA 20-1
9 9 Old Man Buck Bejarano R McPeek Kenneth G 122 Blk-On LA 20-1
10 10 Tale of Ekati Coa E M Tagg Barclay 122 LA 7-2
11 11 Dixie Chatter SCR
12 12 Salute the Sarge Flores D R Guillot Eric 122 L 12-1
13 13 Wicked Style Albarado R J Arnold George R II 122 LA 10-1

Pedigree Ann 10-17-2007 11:21 AM

Juvenile Turf

And the point of this race is....? There is a gateful of top Euro 2yos going in the Dewhurst S. on Saturday at Newmarket. Any Euros in this race must be considered lesser lights by their stables. Going against a bunch of second tier NA runners. Ho-hum.

Look for Euro youngsters who have proven they can run left-handed (Epsom, Doncaster, York, Chester, Leopardstown, Saint-Cloud..,) and/or around tight turns (Chester...,). Most 2yo races at 5f and 6f in GB/Ire/Fra are on straightaways. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of the Euros 'blow the turn', the way some horses do at Fairplex.

Cannon Shell 10-17-2007 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Juvenile Turf

And the point of this race is....? There is a gateful of top Euro 2yos going in the Dewhurst S. on Saturday at Newmarket. Any Euros in this race must be considered lesser lights by their stables. Going a bunch of second rate US runners. Ho-hum.

Look for youngsters who have have proven they can run left-handed (Epsom, Doncaster, York, Chester, Leopardstown, Saint-Cloud..,) and/or around tight turns (Chester...,). Most 2yo races at 5f and 6f in GB/Ire/Fra are on straightaways. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of the Euros 'blow the turn', the way some horses do at Fairplex.

Wouldn't surprise me if some of the Americans do it too.

Cannon Shell 10-17-2007 11:28 AM

Is the juvy turf 12 or 10 horses. 12 is too many on that course.

hockey2315 10-17-2007 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Is the juvy turf 12 or 10 horses. 12 is too many on that course.

12

Indian Charlie 10-17-2007 11:56 AM

holy cow! achill island in the juvie turf!

achill island is a sadlers wells colt out of a mare produced from one of the most bizarre matings in history!!

the dam of his is named prawn cocktail. if my memory serves me correctly, prawn cocktail is the last foal (if not the last, pretty close to the last) of the mighty producer, crimson saint (the 2nd dam of storm cat, among others).

What's so odd about this? prawn cocktails sire is artichoke, a horse i remember from my younger days as being a fairplex specialist!! a decent enough horse i suppose, but overall pretty cheap and he never sired anything of note!

here is a partial list of her progeny. note the stallions she typically saw!

Mr. Crimson Ruler(TX), 75 H By Secretariat
Terlingua(KY), 76 M By Secretariat
Encino(KY), 77 H By Nijinsky II
Secret Saint(KY), 81 M By Secretariat
Pancho Villa(KY), 82 H By Secretariat(Died 06)
Alydariel(KY), 83 M By Alydar
Royal Academy(KY), 87 H By Nijinsky II
Border Run(KY), 88 G By Secretariat
Navajo Pass(KY), 90 M By Secretariat
Prawn Cocktail(KY), 92 M By Artichocke

baffling!

NoChanceToDance 10-17-2007 12:06 PM

Strike The Deal would have a decent chance in the Juvenile turf..... afterall Jeremy Noseda knows now to win breeders Cup races.

Annie Skates is probably more likely to go in the fillies dirt race. She could be a good bet here. Before she saw a racetrack she had been galloping all over a horse rated 90 (which is just below listed class over here). She is still imrpving and is by the sire senation Mr Greeley.

XIIPointStables 10-17-2007 12:13 PM

RE: The Juv

Anyone know what happened to Sargent Seattle?

He won the 2nd race at Saratoga this year and then scaratched out of a stake a few weeks later. I know Steve mentioned a pending sale...any update?

Sightseek 10-17-2007 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
RE: The Juv

Anyone know what happened to Sargent Seattle?

He won the 2nd race at Saratoga this year and then scaratched out of a stake a few weeks later. I know Steve mentioned a pending sale...any update?

I believe they are still looking towards the Stakes at Aqueduct.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-17-2007 02:03 PM

There is a ton of speed in the Juv Fillies......

That race has all the makings of a collapse.

Sightseek 10-17-2007 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
There is a ton of speed in the Juv Fillies......

That race has all the makings of a collapse.

Izarra & A to the Croft will be waiting for them. ;)

NoChanceToDance 10-17-2007 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
There is a ton of speed in the Juv Fillies......

That race has all the makings of a collapse.

I'm glad you have said that. Annie Skates needs a strongly run race, given her stalking style of running.

If she handles the dirt (i don't see any reason why she shouldn't) she will run a big race at large odds, i imagine.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-17-2007 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
Izarra & A to the Croft will be waiting for them. ;)

It was a little disconcerting to me that Izarra got rank and kind of ran-off a little coming out of the first turn in the Oak Leaf...which was also a pretty quick paced race.

I would love her chances if she could relax and make one late run. I'm not sold she will do that however.

RolloTomasi 10-17-2007 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
It was a little disconcerting to me that Izarra got rank and kind of ran-off a little coming out of the first turn in the Oak Leaf...which was also a pretty quick paced race.

I would love her chances if she could relax and make one late run. I'm not sold she will do that however.

She ran in spots in the Del Mar Debutante as well. I'm not 100% it isn't Espinoza though. It seems like she wants to make an early bid in all her races, but Espinoza (who ironically loves to make premature moves) seems to always grab a hold of her just as she's reaching the leaders. I think its taken the mustard out of her stretch run.

Obviously, the fact that she makes mid-race moves to begin with puts her at risk of hanging anyways, but I'd like to see what this filly would do if allowed to blow the race wide open entering the far turn.

Certainly has the turn of foot to win this, has a monster pedigree (Affluent was also a granddaughter of the disappointing Bayakoa), and physically looks imposing for a 2yo filly.

Kasept 10-18-2007 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
Izarra & A to the Croft will be waiting for them. ;)

And Grace Anatomy and Smarty Deb too..

But the more I look at this, the more I think everyone is chasing Proud Spell at the end.

Pedigree Ann 10-18-2007 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
holy cow! achill island in the juvie turf!

achill island is a sadlers wells colt out of a mare produced from one of the most bizarre matings in history!!

the dam of his is named prawn cocktail. if my memory serves me correctly, prawn cocktail is the last foal (if not the last, pretty close to the last) of the mighty producer, crimson saint (the 2nd dam of storm cat, among others).

What's so odd about this? prawn cocktails sire is artichoke, a horse i remember from my younger days as being a fairplex specialist!! a decent enough horse i suppose, but overall pretty cheap and he never sired anything of note!

baffling!

Missing from the record is 1990 Barren 1991 Barren. Looks like they didn't want to use up an expensive nomination when she was likely not to get in foal anyway at the age of 22. Whatever sired it, any foal of hers would sell for a decent price; this one sold for $175,000, despite being by Artichoke. Prawn Cocktail began her broodmare career in Australia, where she foaled two group winners by shuttler Danehill, so she was 'promoted' to the Northern Hemisphere (Ireland).

Crimson Saint was more than just a top broodmare - she was one of the fastest TBs I've ever seen. Set a track record for 4.5f as a 2yo, beat older males in May as a 3yo going 5f on turf. She was a flat-out speed demon with a huge engine behind. I always said that a foal of hers by Vikingson (another 20 and change-capable TB) would have made mincemeat of any QH alive.

my miss storm cat 10-18-2007 08:18 PM

Ibn Khaldun is out...

jpops757 10-19-2007 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
And Grace Anatomy and Smarty Deb too..

But the more I look at this, the more I think everyone is chasing Proud Spell at the end.

Gio Pointi looks like one with the kick to finish it off.


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