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Sightseek 09-27-2007 02:16 PM

Flower Bowl Invitational
 
Flower Bowl Invitational S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight
1 Lahudood (GB) Garcia Alan 119
2 Hostess Hill C 119
3 Masseuse Castellano J J 121
4 Alexander Tango (IRE) Bridgmohan S X 119
5 My Typhoon (IRE) Castro E 123
6 Wait a While Gomez G K 121
7 Rosinka (IRE) Rose J 119
8 Royal Highness (GER) Douglas R R 123
9 Argentina (IRE) Desormeaux K J 119

I think this came up a really good and competitive race.

GPK 09-27-2007 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Flower Bowl Invitational S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight
1 Lahudood (GB) Garcia Alan 119
2 Hostess Hill C 119
3 Masseuse Castellano J J 121
4 Alexander Tango (IRE) Bridgmohan S X 119
5 My Typhoon (IRE) Castro E 123
6 Wait a While Gomez G K 121
7 Rosinka (IRE) Rose J 119
8 Royal Highness (GER) Douglas R R 123
9 Argentina (IRE) Desormeaux K J 119

I think this came up a really good and competitive race.


Man, I remember her walking by me at Toga while we were walking through 8 tons of horse sh*t trying to find EC.:o SHes a beautiful girl and that is actually her in my avatar.

Sightseek 09-27-2007 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Man, I remember her walking by me at Toga while we were walking through 8 tons of horse sh*t trying to find EC.:o SHes a beautiful girl and that is actually her in my avatar.

I was wondering who that was. A really grand filly she is.

This is one of the better Grade 1 fields I think we've seen in awhile. Tango, Highness, WAW and Typhoon all having very good wins this year. I can't wait!

brockguy 09-27-2007 10:51 PM

Is Alex Tango still trained by Tommy Stack or has she moved sides??

Scav 09-27-2007 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Man, I remember her walking by me at Toga while we were walking through 8 tons of horse sh*t trying to find EC.:o SHes a beautiful girl and that is actually her in my avatar.

First off, that wasn't horse crap, it was mud. 2ndly, I hate that horse. 3rdly, glad to see Douglas keep the mount on royal Highness.

blackthroatedwind 09-27-2007 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
First off, that wasn't horse crap, it was mud. 2ndly, I hate that horse. 3rdly, glad to see Douglas keep the mount on royal Highness.


After the ride Douglas gave her last time he should have gotten half her purse winnings.

Scav 09-27-2007 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
After the ride Douglas gave her last time he should have gotten half her purse winnings.

I think that means it was good. and I agree, it was a great ride. Was a good race also, matter of fact all three Grade 1's that day were real good, at least excitement wise

blackthroatedwind 09-27-2007 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I think that means it was good. and I agree, it was a great ride. Was a good race also, matter of fact all three Grade 1's that day were real good, at least excitement wise


It was honestly one of the very few rides that absolutely made the difference between winning and losing. A great ride.

dalakhani 09-27-2007 11:26 PM

I just dont think My Typhoon wants to go this far. She may be classy enough to hang on for a piece but i will be playing against her in this spot.

I think the footing will be a big factor. Its hard to say what Wait a while will do if it is yielding.

Looking at the form, Massuese looked interesting and I imagine she will be a nice price.

blackthroatedwind 09-27-2007 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I just dont think My Typhoon wants to go this far. She may be classy enough to hang on for a piece but i will be playing against her in this spot.

I think the footing will be a big factor. Its hard to say what Wait a while will do if it is yielding.

Looking at the form, Massuese looked interesting and I imagine she will be a nice price.

I wouldn't worry about the turf being anything other than firm. Even if we get some rain, which is iffy, there has been virtually none for quite a long while.

dalakhani 09-27-2007 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I wouldn't worry about the turf being anything other than firm. Even if we get some rain, which is iffy, there has been virtually none for quite a long while.

Does massuesse have a shot at a piece in your opinion? What do you think her odds will be?

blackthroatedwind 09-27-2007 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Does massuesse have a shot at a piece in your opinion? What do you think her odds will be?

I guess she will be around 10-1.

I don't like her at all. I guess she should get a decent trip with her stalking ability but I honestly don't think she's good enough. I agree with you about My Typhoon, and also think Wait A While is the horse to beat, but frankly would rather use Hostess at twice the price as Masseuse.

I thought the only possibilities besides Wait A While were, realistically, Alexander Tango, Argentina ( who seems unable to win ) and maybe Royal Highness.

dalakhani 09-27-2007 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I guess she will be around 10-1.

I don't like her at all. I guess she should get a decent trip with her stalking ability but I honestly don't think she's good enough. I agree with you about My Typhoon, and also think Wait A While is the horse to beat, but frankly would rather use Hostess at twice the price as Masseuse.

I thought the only possibilities besides Wait A While were, realistically, Alexander Tango, Argentina ( who seems unable to win ) and maybe Royal Highness.

thank you for the reply. I think Alexander Tango is a cut below based on her converted timeform and last out beyer. Argentina, as you say, always seems unable to win. Royal Highness certainly has a shot and the only other horse would be Rosinka-4 straight wins is hard to ignore.

blackthroatedwind 09-27-2007 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
thank you for the reply. I think Alexander Tango is a cut below based on her converted timeform and last out beyer. Argentina, as you say, always seems unable to win. Royal Highness certainly has a shot and the only other horse would be Rosinka-4 straight wins is hard to ignore.


I think Rosinka is all dressed up with nowhere to go. The perfect set-ups stop here. Mauralakana ran a much better race when second to her last time.

As for Alexander Tango....I could argue both sides. However, since I have problems with turf speed figures, and think trips and come home times are of the utmost importance, I tend to think she ran exceptionally well. It's almost as though she was in a different race than everyone else. While the leaders were dawdling along on the front end, she was last, and wide all the way around. Yet, against all logic, she mowed them down, getting her final three furlongs in roughly 33 3/5 while racing wide. Pretty impressive if you ask me. It's not as though anyone else gained any perceptable ground in the race.

But, I can also understand someone who takes the other side that it was a slow race full of mediocrities. And, I could also reasonably defend that position. I just don't ultimately feel that way.

Scurlogue Champ 09-28-2007 01:30 AM

wait a while looks to be in form.

Tango will have a tough time with her, but those two stand out IMO

zippyneedsawin 09-28-2007 01:42 PM

I think Tango at 15-1 morning line is very generous. She'll probably be closer to 6-1 went the gates open though.

Pedigree Ann 09-29-2007 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

As for Alexander Tango....I could argue both sides. However, since I have problems with turf speed figures, and think trips and come home times are of the utmost importance, I tend to think she ran exceptionally well. It's almost as though she was in a different race than everyone else. While the leaders were dawdling along on the front end, she was last, and wide all the way around. Yet, against all logic, she mowed them down, getting her final three furlongs in roughly 33 3/5 while racing wide. Pretty impressive if you ask me. It's not as though anyone else gained any perceptable ground in the race.

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In fact, the race was run in a typical Euro style - slow early and fast late. It remains to be seen if she can close as well vs. a more typical US pace. Don't get me wrong, I loved Alexander Tango last out - I picked her in the in the Race-of-the-Day contest. But she probably won't get a Euro scenario this time and she is unproven closing into a stronger pace. Class and distance are no problem, however.

NoChanceToDance 09-29-2007 06:18 AM

Alexander Tango will win!

Brock..... yes, she is still with Tommy. I think Fozzy is looking after her while she is in America.

Danzig 09-29-2007 06:22 AM

hope my typhoon wows them again.

Travis Stone 09-29-2007 08:16 AM

Alexander Tango's come-home performance in the Garden City was one of the best stretch runs all year. She really exploded and looked good doing so. Anytime a final furlong is sub-12 seconds, and a horse is making up ground, you have to take some notice.


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