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jpops757 07-27-2007 11:56 AM

Brass Hat
 
Does anyone else love this horse and the 20/1 morning line is a big plus. How can you ignore him. Thinking the retirement of invasor made bringing him back made sense.

ninetoone 07-27-2007 11:59 AM

There's a conversation about this going on in the "Whitney" thread...I say no way he goes off at 20-1

trifecta124 07-27-2007 12:09 PM

I Like him a lot in this race.....No one really stands out so why not give him a shot.

jwkniska 07-27-2007 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jpops757
Does anyone else love this horse and the 20/1 morning line is a big plus. How can you ignore him. Thinking the retirement of invasor made bringing him back made sense.

If I get 20-1 on him tomorrow, I'll be shocked, for this horse in this field, I'll take 5-2 or higher. 20-1's outrageous. Last time I looked he broke CD's track record last out.

miraja2 07-27-2007 04:51 PM

I don't like his chances here much at all. He will probably be bet down from 20/1 for the reasons you mention, but I believe he is a step below some of those in here.
In his last race he barely beat a mediocre Student Council and he was actually getting 4 lbs from Student Council that day. His race was also not particularly fast (despite the NTR), as can be readily seen by the fact that he barely beat those allowance horses, and received only a 98 BSF for the race.
Even in his prime in the winter of '06 he never beat anybody particularly noteworthy or posted a BSF as high as those run in the past by Papi Chullo, Fairbanks, Wanderin Boy, Sun King, or Magna Graduate.
There aren't any GREAT horses in this race....but I think most of them are better than Brass Hat. I wouldn't play him.

Travis Stone 07-27-2007 05:24 PM

I'm seeing it both ways.

On one hand, we have the second place finisher of the World Cup going off at a potentially huge price. His comeback race was solid, and we know he can go faster.

On the other, does he regress a bit, and really, how good is he? Remember, Wilko finished 3rd in that Cup.

It's a tough call.

Riot 07-27-2007 06:31 PM

I think Brass Hat is a different, better horse than he used to be. Whether he's going to be "best" on this day, is open, but he's primed and looking awesome.

miraja2 07-27-2007 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I think Brass Hat is a different, better horse than he used to be.

Based on what?
Do you really think his race at CD was more impressive than his back-to-back graded stakes wins in the January/February of last year? (which as I mentioned earlier, were not particularly impressive to me either). It certainly wasn't if you look at the level of competition he was facing or the speed figs for those races and compare it to that race earlier this month.
He is certainly eligible to improve 2nd off a layoff, but I would be more than a bit shocked to see him return to the form he showed in the '06 Donn. And even if he somehow does that, I don't think it will be enough.

Riot 07-27-2007 09:14 PM

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Based on what?
Four in 47 last Saturday morning, five in 59 and change, but most importantly: then coming off the track looking like it was too easy.

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And even if he somehow does that, I don't think it will be enough.
That could very well be. We'll see!

Coach Pants 07-27-2007 09:18 PM

Well he is facing a bunch of world beaters. Good luck to anyone who takes 9/2 or less in this race.

ateamstupid 07-27-2007 10:20 PM

I'm rooting for him just because Willie is cool as **** and Buff seems like a pretty good guy as well. Would be nice to see some everyday dudes do the damn thing rather than the factories.

largo1 07-28-2007 10:58 PM

Well, I rooted the *hell* out of him, and it didn't pan out. But,,,that's okay, I still love him. I'll root for him the next time too! Something classy about him.

Suzanne


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