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robfla 06-30-2007 05:53 PM

Tom Fool + Dwyer
 
A couple of nice races on the 4th of July at BEL - especially the Tom Fool. 4 out of the 6 horses entered are coming off of BIG wins
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In the Dwyer: First Defence ran a couple of huge races at BEL albeit a MSW and N1X - AGS and NoBiz make their returns following the KyDerby

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Tom Fool Breeders' Cup H. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Awesome Twist Castellano J J
2 Istan Desormeaux K J
3 High Finance Velazquez J R
4 Rondo Prado E S
5 Will He Shine Gomez G K
6 Commentator Nakatani C S
7 Saint Anddan Bejarano R

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Dwyer S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Helsinki Nakatani C S
2 Nobiz Like Shobiz Velasquez C Blk-Off
3 Sightseeing Prado E S Blk-On
4 Believeinmenow Luzzi M J
5 First Defence Castellano J J
6 Any Given Saturday

ateamstupid 06-30-2007 06:24 PM

Now there's a good pair of stakes races, unlike that bulldung we saw today at BEL.

XIIPointStables 06-30-2007 06:32 PM

I've been waiting for First Defence to jump into stakes company.

Horse is good. Go look at his replay from his last, which was the first off a monster layoff.

Get excited.

Storm Cadet 06-30-2007 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Now there's a good pair of stakes races, unlike that bullshit we saw today at BEL.

Yup I was there in person to watch them run....poorly :(

Great weather. nice crowd, poor racing.

PS did they mention on TV...where was the Chief Allen Jerkins? His wife was there to accept the trophy for the Suburban. He never misses a day of racing!

Danzig 07-02-2007 09:06 PM

dwyer, tom fool
 
Belmont Park - July 4th, 2007 - Race 8
Tom Fool Breeders' Cup H. - Grade: 2
Estimated Local Post Time: 4:43 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Purse: $200,000
Distance: Seven Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Awesome Twist (KY) 5 Horse 115 Javier Castellano
2 Istan (KY) 5 Horse 116 Kent J. Desormeaux
3 High Finance (KY) 4 Colt 114 John R. Velazquez
4 Rondo (KY) 4 Colt 114 Edgar S. Prado
5 Will He Shine (KY) 5 Horse 117 Garrett K. Gomez
6 Commentator (NY) 6 Gelding 119 Corey S. Nakatani
7 Saint Anddan (KY) 5 Horse 119 Rafael Bejarano


Belmont Park - July 4th, 2007 - Race 9
Dwyer S. - Grade: 2
Estimated Local Post Time: 5:15 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old
Purse: $150,000
Distance: One And One Sixteenth Miles
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Helsinki (KY) 3 Colt 117 Corey S. Nakatani
2 Nobiz Like Shobiz (KY) 3 Colt 123 Cornelio H. Velasquez
3 Sightseeing (KY) 3 Colt 121 Edgar S. Prado
4 Believeinmenow (FL) 3 Colt 117 Michael J. Luzzi
5 First Defence (KY) 3 Colt 117 Javier Castellano
6 Any Given Saturday (KY) 3 Colt 121 Garrett K. Gomez

my miss storm cat 07-02-2007 09:10 PM

PP's.....

Tom Fool...

http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdfs/darley_79293.pdf

Dwyer.....

http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...cher_79336.pdf

Danzig 07-02-2007 09:11 PM

stonewall jackson was called 'tom fool', wonder if that is who the horse was named for??

VOL JACK 07-02-2007 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
Belmont Park - July 4th, 2007 - Race 8
Tom Fool Breeders' Cup H. - Grade: 2
Estimated Local Post Time: 4:43 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Purse: $200,000
Distance: Seven Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Awesome Twist (KY) 5 Horse 115 Javier Castellano
2 Istan (KY) 5 Horse 116 Kent J. Desormeaux
3 High Finance (KY) 4 Colt 114 John R. Velazquez
4 Rondo (KY) 4 Colt 114 Edgar S. Prado
5 Will He Shine (KY) 5 Horse 117 Garrett K. Gomez
6 Commentator (NY) 6 Gelding 119 Corey S. Nakatani
7 Saint Anddan (KY) 5 Horse 119 Rafael Bejarano


Belmont Park - July 4th, 2007 - Race 9
Dwyer S. - Grade: 2
Estimated Local Post Time: 5:15 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old
Purse: $150,000
Distance: One And One Sixteenth Miles
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Helsinki (KY) 3 Colt 117 Corey S. Nakatani
2 Nobiz Like Shobiz (KY) 3 Colt 123 Cornelio H. Velasquez
3 Sightseeing (KY) 3 Colt 121 Edgar S. Prado
4 Believeinmenow (FL) 3 Colt 117 Michael J. Luzzi
5 First Defence (KY) 3 Colt 117 Javier Castellano
6 Any Given Saturday (KY) 3 Colt 121 Garrett K. Gomez



Looks like #6 and #6 to me. Both Fav's I know.
Comm. isn't going to have things all on his own on the front. That race looks like it it could flatter some of the the ones coming from off the pace.

Rileyoriley 07-02-2007 09:25 PM

:(
Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet
Yup I was there in person to watch them run....poorly :(

Great weather. nice crowd, poor racing.

PS did they mention on TV...where was the Chief Allen Jerkins? His wife was there to accept the trophy for the Suburban. He never misses a day of racing!

Hope he's ok.:(

Cajungator26 07-02-2007 09:30 PM

I'm leaning towards Nobiz in the Dwyer.

Coach Pants 07-02-2007 09:32 PM

Any Given Saturday is working like a champion worm eater.

Cajungator26 07-02-2007 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Any Given Saturday is working like a champion worm eater.

So is Nobiz.

Rileyoriley 07-02-2007 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I'm leaning towards Nobiz in the Dwyer.

He intrigues me. His sire just started to come into his own at this point. I'm interested in seeing how Nobiz has matured since the Derby.

philcski 07-02-2007 09:37 PM

Certainly better than the poo poo that was Saturday but still, not much to get excited about from a wagering perspective. Commentator either rolls or runs off the board... High Finance might be the one if that's the case, but I wouldn't take less than 5/2 on him and the Sheet number/Beyer was huge for his last and he'll get bet down off that. Rondo will take some money but he isn't good enough.

Coach Pants 07-02-2007 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
So is Nobiz.

Not really. He had a two week break. That's always a red flag.

Cajungator26 07-02-2007 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Not really. He had a two week break. That's always a red flag.

Perhaps, but with Tagg training him I can't see him running the horse if he isn't ready.

Coach Pants 07-02-2007 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Perhaps, but with Tagg training him I can't see him running the horse if he isn't ready.

He'll need to be more than ready if he's going to beat Sightseeing and AGS. JMHO.

Coach Pants 07-02-2007 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Sightseeing? Really, I don't see it. He's pretty slow and would need to improve a lot here IMO.

He's not terribly slow. I thought his close in the Peter Pan was impressive. Seems to be improving and note he's undefeated at Belmont.


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