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boswd 06-11-2007 12:52 PM

The Alabama or The Travers?
 
There are two more majors for the fillies, CCOA and The Alabama, with the Alabama being the bigger Prize.

there are two more majors for the colts, The Haskell and The Travers, with the Travers being the bigger prize.

If you owned Rags to Riches which route would you take?

sumitas 06-11-2007 12:54 PM

The Alabama. It's a big race for the fillies.

King Glorious 06-11-2007 12:55 PM

Haskell and Travers without question. I wouldn't waste my time running her against fillies anymore. Talk about nothing to gain. Go for history.

whodey17 06-11-2007 01:03 PM

From the list you gave, I would go in the Alabama and then the Travers. However, I would pick the Jim Dandy or the Alabama and then the Travers. I think it would be nice to give RTR a race over the Saratoga surface before the Travers. I would be more inclined to go in the Alabama. Be a nice little prep before the Travers.

King Glorious 06-11-2007 01:05 PM

The Alabama is like a week or so before the Travers. I don't think that's a good idea. Also, isn't the Alabama 10f? I personally don't like having a prep be at the same distance as the race I'm pointing to.

whodey17 06-11-2007 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
The Alabama is like a week or so before the Travers. I don't think that's a good idea. Also, isn't the Alabama 10f? I personally don't like having a prep be at the same distance as the race I'm pointing to.

Very good points King. Then I would go in the Jin Dandy and then the Travers.

MisterB 06-11-2007 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whodey17
From the list you gave, I would go in the Alabama and then the Travers. However, I would pick the Jim Dandy or the Alabama and then the Travers. I think it would be nice to give RTR a race over the Saratoga surface before the Travers. I would be more inclined to go in the Alabama. Be a nice little prep before the Travers.

She won't run in the Travers, and the Alabama isn't a prep for the Travers either. CC Oaks, Alabama. BC is her best path.

lemoncrush 06-11-2007 01:19 PM

I would go..
Coach Club, Travers and Distaff.

Assuming they do go to the Distaff, I imagine her top two competitors would be Ermine and Balance. The older filly/mare division seems pretty weak right now.

miraja2 06-11-2007 01:51 PM

She would probably have a race between the Alabama and the BC too. The Alabama is in the middle of August, so I doubt they would "train her up to" the BC for that long. If they give her a long rest, I suspect it would be now after a 12f race that ended in a stretch duel. Because of that, I think there is a good chance she won't go in the CCA.
My purely speculative prediction is:
Alabama (at the Spa in August) - Gazelle (back at Belmont in September) - and then the BC Distaff.

Downthestretch55 06-11-2007 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB
She won't run in the Travers, and the Alabama isn't a prep for the Travers either. CC Oaks, Alabama. BC is her best path.

I'd also go with the plan you state.

Slewbopper 06-11-2007 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
The Alabama is like a week or so before the Travers. I don't think that's a good idea. Also, isn't the Alabama 10f? I personally don't like having a prep be at the same distance as the race I'm pointing to.

Bunch of fing geniuses here talking about running 1 1/4 on the 18th and then again on the 25th.

There is a guy entering the HOF this summer that has absolutely no business there. He ran Davona Dale in the Alabama and lost to Its In The Air and then a week later ran 4th in the '79 quagmire Travers won by General Assembly by 15 in 2 minutes flat. Idiot.

Hickory Hill Hoff 06-11-2007 06:39 PM

CC Oaks / Alabama and then see if the BC Classic comes up "light" and go there.

letswastemoney 06-11-2007 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemoncrush
I would go..
Coach Club, Travers and Distaff.

Assuming they do go to the Distaff, I imagine her top two competitors would be Ermine and Balance. The older filly/mare division seems pretty weak right now.

I'd like to see Nashoba's Key try the dirt. I believe she can beat those 2 on a daily basis.

Danzig 06-11-2007 08:33 PM

the travers.

she's the best horse in the stable, and winner of a classic. to send anyone but her would be a shame. but i wouldn't run her in the bcc. not sure i'd send a 3 yo filly against older horses--3 yo colts, yes.

ateamstupid 06-11-2007 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slewbopper
Bunch of fing geniuses here talking about running 1 1/4 on the 18th and then again on the 25th.

LOL.

Travers, Beldame, Classic seems like the best path to me. Maybe run her in the CCA Oaks too if she's doing REALLY well.

sumitas 06-11-2007 08:52 PM

i wouldn't over reach here. let's not get greedy. the Alabama is a fine next test for her. then one more race before the BC.

Merlinsky 06-11-2007 10:39 PM

I think Tabor's the sort to evaluate, as he did in the Belmont, whether she's simply the star filly of the stable or star period, colt or filly. If she's just star filly you point to the Distaff and consider the colt races like the Travers knowing that you go to the Distaff. If she's the best horse you have, colt/filly and older/younger, and your best is pretty darn good, by my mind you've set yourself up for the Classic. Right now she can take Circular Quay. Unless another boy steps up, she's the marquee horse and should race as such. Azeri could've run in the Woodward back in the day and she didn't and kept trucking along with the girls..such a waste even if she did get HOY. That was the time to go. She waited too late. Tabor needs to go for it but there are big filly races so if he can mix it up, no biggie. Doesn't have to be all boys or all girls races. Technically the CCA Oaks is an American classic race along with the KY Oaks and the TC races. Rags has 2 already so she could have 3 classics, just not the ones most think about.


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