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Kasept 04-01-2007 02:47 PM

Discreet Cat Throat Issue Cited
 
Anyone catch the post race Ashkal Way interview with a Godolphin shill just now? Nicoletti, or the other guy, at Gulfstream mentioned Discreet Cat throat surgery or similar as part of the discussion as well "when he comes back here"... Didn't get the whole thing clearly. Anyboldy hear what went on?

Spendabuck85 04-01-2007 02:49 PM

Just posted link to Brisnet article few minutes ago under Dubai World Cup thread.
http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/edito...ll_edition.cgi

Kasept 04-01-2007 02:51 PM

Thx Buck!

Immediately after the World Cup, Godolphin Racing Manager Simon Crisford indicated that Discreet Cat would return to the United States for the rest of his 2007 campaign.

zippyneedsawin 04-01-2007 10:41 PM

Discreet Cat's excuse..
 
you knew there would be one.

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=38263

Left Bank 04-01-2007 11:10 PM

Can't wait to hear Lava man's.

PPerfectfan 04-01-2007 11:15 PM

I think its so funny to go back and read the glowing reports on these horses just a day or so ago and then how they ran. I know, I for one was shocked, shocked I say, that Lava Man ran up the track!:rolleyes: At least Kellys Landings can save face, after all those dang, "Kellys got a big butt" stories. :D

The Indomitable DrugS 04-01-2007 11:27 PM

It sounds similar to the excuse that was used when Afleet Alex ran dead last in the Rebel Stakes, and was totally crushed by the immortal Greater Good. I believe he had a lung infection as opposed to a throat infection.

I don't remember what the excuse was when Holy Bull finished last beaten a city block in the Fountain of Youth, but I know it had something to do with his throat. I think Skip Away might have bled, when he ran last, beaten about 35 lengths in an allowance race during his 3-year-old season.

In all three cases, those horses went onto become dominant and very popular champions.

Obviously something was extremely wrong with Discreet Cat. He went 1:07.64, in hand, to the six furlong call in his last race---and has won many big figure sprints from the lead---yet, in a race with no pace at all, he was dead last early on...instead of loose on the lead. The pacesetter, who was making the 19th start of his career, had only had the lead at the pace call once in his entire career....and that race was 11 starts back. He was also exiting a 12 furlong race!!

I don't think anyone who's ever seen this horse run really believes something wasn't badly amiss with him physically.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-01-2007 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Can't wait to hear Lava man's.

I'd have liked to hear his excuse if he hit the board.

There seems to be a long pattern with him--the further you ship him, the more lackluster he runs.

Antitrust32 04-01-2007 11:31 PM

DrugS welcome back we missed you.

I wonder if Discreet Cat will ever be totally healthy... seems the past few months have been no good to him. Maybe he is allergic to Dubai.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-02-2007 12:07 AM

Thanks....it was awful nice of the mental institution to release me a little earlier than planned.

Discreet Cat ran very well in both Dubai races last year---he's also a true speed horse, which means he's tailor-made for that speed friendly track over there. I doubt Dubai or the track had anything to do with his showing.

He either has a throat infection like they say---or, to use a Serlingisim, he went, in a matter of a few months, from being a total superstar to not being able to outrun me and Cannon Shell in a horse suit.

Bigsmc 04-02-2007 03:41 AM

On TVG Sunday, Frank Lyons said it was a foot abscess for Discreet Cat. Is Frankie being irresponsible with the rumor spreading or are there multiple excuses flowing out of the desert?

whodey17 04-02-2007 07:42 AM

You know, these horses aren't machines. They are allowed to have a bad race from time to time. If Kobe goes 3-20 and scored 6 pts then it is just an off night. If Pujols goes 0-12 then it is a slump. If Peyton Manning goes 11-30 with 2 picks then it is good defense or an off night. Horses have off days every now and then. Give Discreet Cat a break. The horse throws in one clunker and we all need to find some excuse. There might be a valid or there might not be one. Either case, he has proven to be a top quality race horse.

Now Lava Man is a different story because you have a pattern of not being able to ship. The answer as to why he runs bad in races outside of Cali is because he doesnt ship well. That is his excuse. The sooner his owners realize this the better off the racing world will be.

zippyneedsawin 04-02-2007 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whodey17
You know, these horses aren't machines. They are allowed to have a bad race from time to time. If Kobe goes 3-20 and scored 6 pts then it is just an off night. If Pujols goes 0-12 then it is a slump. If Peyton Manning goes 11-30 with 2 picks then it is good defense or an off night. Horses have off days every now and then. Give Discreet Cat a break. The horse throws in one clunker and we all need to find some excuse. There might be a valid or there might not be one. Either case, he has proven to be a top quality race horse.

Now Lava Man is a different story because you have a pattern of not being able to ship. The answer as to why he runs bad in races outside of Cali is because he doesnt ship well. That is his excuse. The sooner his owners realize this the better off the racing world will be.


I don't think people are directly blaming the horse.. But there does seem to be a consistent pattern of excuses that emerge after supposed star horses run up the track in a big race.

whodey17 04-02-2007 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
I don't think people are directly blaming the horse.. But there does seem to be a consistent pattern of excuses that emerge after supposed star horses run up the track in a big race.

This is my point. Everyone tries to find an excuse or they need to hear an excuse. Now, if I owned Discreet Cat I would make sure to check everything out to make sure the horse is healthy. As a fan, I do not need an excuse as to why he ran poorly. Now if he throws in 3 or 4 bad races then I need to find out why.

Rileyoriley 04-02-2007 08:43 AM

I suspect it was Lava Man's owners who wanted to go to Dubai. The trainer seems to have given up on shipping him. Listen to your trainer!:D

smuthg 04-02-2007 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley
I suspect it was Lava Man's owners who wanted to go to Dubai. The trainer seems to have given up on shipping him. Listen to your trainer!:D

good point. I found it interesting that Doug O'Neil didn't travel to Dubai with his star...

ArlJim78 04-02-2007 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by smuthg
good point. I found it interesting that Doug O'Neil didn't travel to Dubai with his star...

On TV Lava Man's owners seemed to be having a blast.

Funny thing about O'neil not going with his star, he still won the $2M Godolphin mile with Spring At Last.

jaripeo 04-02-2007 09:58 AM

Here is a link to RacingPost article about an explanation of the Godolphin“s most resently disappointments results. Is very good and clear.
www.racingpost.co.uk

Grits 04-02-2007 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
On TV Lava Man's owners seemed to be having a blast.

Lava Man . . . this poor guy.

He's the E.T. of Thoroughbred Racing. If he could talk he woulda been phoning home every hour, everytime he's left SoCal. He loves home. And such a fantastic racehorse.

Left Bank 04-02-2007 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I'd have liked to hear his excuse if he hit the board.

There seems to be a long pattern with him--the further you ship him, the more lackluster he runs.

It is called OUTCLASSED!


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