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hoovesupsideyourhead 03-06-2007 04:47 PM

chelokee .matz derby horse..?
 
love the way this one came back to win..lots of smiles in the w.c...won at a mile and 1/8th...hes 200 to 1 in the futures...if he comes back in a graded event ..id think he would do well..then on to the derby..fla derby...he ran the 1 and 1/8 ..149.64 scat daddy did it in 149.11

POINTGIVEN1985 03-06-2007 04:57 PM

i dont think so, he looked good last time out had alot of problems and still won, but what about the race before that ? i dont think this horse has a shot at the derby and i dont think matz is one to rush a horse, and at this point this horse has never faced any real competition, so i dont think the fla derby is a good idea at this point

txshorns02 03-06-2007 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
love the way this one came back to win..lots of smiles in the w.c...won at a mile and 1/8th...hes 200 to 1 in the futures...if he comes back in a graded event ..id think he would do well..then on to the derby..fla derby...he ran the 1 and 1/8 ..149.64 scat daddy did it in 149.11

Where are you getting 200/1 at?...Bodog has him for 40/1?....

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-06-2007 06:21 PM

it was at wynn las vegas

The Bid 03-06-2007 06:43 PM

No chance

He did run huge last out though, he shuffled back and had to lose 5 lengths

POINTGIVEN1985 03-06-2007 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
No chance

He did run huge last out though, he shuffled back and had to lose 5 lengths

i was going to say no chance, but when i do that i get myself in trouble so i stated it the way i did

POINTGIVEN1985 03-06-2007 06:56 PM

i wont answer, i guess he might have a 1/100000 chance to win the derby, and im sure he could run well in the fla derby but not win... hes not better then adore the gold, nobiz, stormello, or scat daddy, and im pretty sure there all pointing to the fla derby

The Indomitable DrugS 03-06-2007 06:56 PM

He's the only horse in training who fits that whacky Derby profile I came up with.

The 7 horses who have fit it over the last four years have compiled a 7-4-2-0 record in the race...including a couple of 50/1 shots who ran 1st, and 2nd.

However, the problem I see with Chelokee, is that he's just plain not good enough. Even with a voodoo black-magic trend in his corner, I wouldn't touch him.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-06-2007 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He's the only horse in training who fits that whacky Derby profile I came up.

The 7 horses who have fit it over the last four years have compiled a 7-4-2-0 record in the race...including a couple of 50/1 shots who ran 1st, and 2nd.

However, the problem I see with Chelokee, is that he's just plain not good enough. Even with voodoo black-magic trend in his corner, I wouldn't touch him.

i forgot to mention that.... thats i feel he's just plain not good enough

POINTGIVEN1985 03-06-2007 07:06 PM

ok i will answer, i think there are 20 3 yr olds right now that are hands down better, that have more experience, and that have alot more seasoning, i also was not that impressed with his last race, he ran big but final time was slow, on a track that played fast all day, he also faced no one that day. also his race before what was the excuse then ?

SniperSB23 03-06-2007 07:31 PM

Matz is babying him anyways.

“We'll probably give him some time, and of course, see how he comes out of this,” said Matz. “He's acting like he's that caliber and he deserves the chance, but I think the Florida Derby comes back a little quick. We ran back on short rest for this race, and I knew he would have to go on short rest for one of these races, so we figured let's do that now and rest before his next race.”

If he thinks the horse can't come back in four weeks to run in the Florida Derby then how the heck does he expect him to come back in the Kentucky Derby on four week rest or less if he skips the Florida Derby? And god forbid if he actually won the Derby how could he possibly come back in two weeks for the Preakness.

lemoncrush 03-06-2007 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i wont answer, i guess he might have a 1/100000 chance to win the derby, and im sure he could run well in the fla derby but not win... hes not better then adore the gold, nobiz, stormello, or scat daddy, and im pretty sure there all pointing to the fla derby

Incorrect. Scat Daddy and Adore the Gold will be in the FLA Derby. Nobiz will end up in the Wood; Stormello probably the Blue Grass.

randallscott35 03-06-2007 08:11 PM

He's slow and the FOY was slow. Not from Florida this year.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-06-2007 09:09 PM

ravel Circular Quay
nobiz any given saturday
stormello summer doldrums
scat daddy wafi city
king of the roxy Forefathers
bold start Drums of Thunder
liquidity also tiz wonderful was tons better but hes injured
notional
great hunter
rags to riches
boca grande
adore the gold
hard spun
street sense
ez warrior


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