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hockey2315 03-01-2007 03:08 PM

Signers
 
Can someone please explain how signers work? I almost had one yesterday and now am determined to have one this weekend. . .

In particularly, what percentage of winnings they take for tax?

Antitrust32 03-01-2007 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Can someone please explain how signers work? I almost had one yesterday and now am determined to have hit one this weekend. . .

In particularly, what percentage of winnings they take for tax?


I believe 20% (not positive though).

Good luck getting a signer this weekend! If you find out which race it will be in.. please post the picks cause I wouldnt mind a signer also!

brianwspencer 03-01-2007 03:14 PM

I think it's different from place to place -- as for me, I've possibly never had a signer big enough to get taxes taken out on the spot.

I've never had to pay taxes up front, but I've had to sign and therefore had to without a doubt claim on my tax return. Actually just claimed last year's :(

WillSmith 03-01-2007 03:16 PM

over 5000 is 28%

no tax taken out if below 5k


between 602-5000 you still have to sign but no taxes taken out

IrishofNDMan 03-01-2007 03:18 PM

all i know is if you win 600 or more for a $1 bet then you have to sign for it.

jpops757 03-01-2007 07:37 PM

Difernt states have differnt rules. Dome have statr taxes also. The sure thing it is reported to Irs.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-01-2007 07:45 PM

600 or more in ny on a doller bet you do have to sign... i hit 4 pick fours in 06 for a doller that i recived over 600 on and had to sign for everyone.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-01-2007 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
600 or more in ny on a doller bet you do have to sign... i hit 4 pick fours in 06 for a doller that i recived over 600 on and had to sign for everyone.

stand on the painted foot marks and smile..lol

JJP 03-01-2007 08:23 PM

A two dollar pick three that pays $600.10 is a signer....unless you have two separate dollar tickets.

WillSmith 03-01-2007 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
A two dollar pick three that pays $600.10 is a signer..


nope, $602.

( 300-1 )

DJK 03-01-2007 08:45 PM

*Snort*

I have dreams.

But having a signer was never one of them.

However, now I'll start looking for that $2 pick three.

JJP 03-01-2007 08:48 PM

Yeah, I meant $602.

Just get your tickets in dollar increments. You can always write off the W2s on your federal return, but in most states, you can't on the state return.

AeWingnut 03-01-2007 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robfla
over 5000 is 28%

no tax taken out if below 5k


between 602-5000 you still have to sign but no taxes taken out


this has been my experience

as a rule you want to make multiple $1 exotic wagers instead of $2 and above in hopes that your half will be under. There is nothing more deflating than to win $602.10. It's like losing but not. Everyone laughs and throws things at you.

pmacdaddy 03-01-2007 09:15 PM

I have heard from a few people that NY OTB winners over age 65 don't have to sign in most cases.

I'm not sure if that is true or not. Anyone know for sure?

pmacdaddy 03-01-2007 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
That doesn't exist in the tax code.

Must be an Urban Legend.

pmacdaddy 03-01-2007 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
PMac,

There are lots of urban legends (in their own minds, sometimes) in New York City OTBs.

Makes me laugh thinking about some of the stuff you witness there.


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