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Kasept 07-22-2015 04:02 PM

7/25-26 (DMR): San Diego (G2), Fleet Treat; Bing Crosby (G1)
 
SAT 3rd (3:09) Fleet Treat S.

7 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Patsy G and Me Talamo J 119 L
2 Big Book Bejarano R 121 L
3 Sheer Pleasure Baze T C 125 L
4 Missy Mouse Van Dyke D 121 L
5 Ashley's Sassy Smith M E 117 L
6 Kiss At Midnight Graham J 117 L
7 Abets Abet Pereira T J 117 L



SAT 8th (5:40) San Diego H. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Nowalking Pereira T J 115 L
2 Appealing Tale Talamo J 116 L
3 Hoppertunity Smith M E 121 L
4 Bayern Garcia M 123 L
5 Majestic City Baze T C 118 L
6 Catch a Flight (ARG) Stevens G L 120 L
7 Sammy Mandeville Bejarano R 115 L
8 Sahara Sky Graham J 117 L

RHT2004 07-22-2015 05:55 PM

Bayern by 6. Gets back on track in a big way.

cakes44 07-22-2015 09:09 PM

Or he finishes out of the money and retires. Probably not many other possibilities in between for this horse.

RHT2004 07-22-2015 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1035757)
Or he finishes out of the money and retires. Probably not many other possibilities in between for this horse.

I guess I agree as he is hot or cold, hit or miss type. But this is clearly the easiest spot for him yet this year. The Churchill race field might have been softer overall, but when he broke slowly he had no prayer. In this spot he will be fine even with a slow start, even though it's obviously not ideal.

RHT2004 07-22-2015 09:19 PM

I'm a huge fan and hope he bounces back.

cakes44 07-23-2015 05:39 AM

Not saying I'm not with you...it's just been a rough start for him so far this year. What are you thinking for price?

RHT2004 07-23-2015 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1035779)
Not saying I'm not with you...it's just been a rough start for him so far this year. What are you thinking for price?

7-5, if that. He is a BC Classic winner. I won't be betting, just hoping he bounces back.

Kasept 07-23-2015 04:42 PM

SUN 6TH (4:40) Bing Crosby S. (G1)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Kobe's Back Stevens G L 119 L
2 Distinctiv Passion Maldonado E 119 L
3 Caminetto Garcia M 119 L
4 Wild Dude Prat F 121 L
5 Masochistic Baze T C 123 L
6 Appealing Tale Talamo J 119 L



SUN 8TH (5:40) California Dreamin' H.

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Poshsky Prat F 116 Blk-Off L
2 Ambitious Brew Gonzalez S 119 L
3 Rock Me Baby Nakatani C S 120 L
4 Aotearoa Graham J 114 L
5 Weewinnin Talamo J 116 Blk-Off L
6 Lucky J Lane Bejarano R 117 L
7 Patriots Rule Perez F H 120 L
8 Awesome Return Smith M E 123 L
9 G. G. Ryder Garcia M 121 L
10 Temple Keys Baze T C 114 L
11 Surfcup Maldonado E 118 L

ateamstupid 07-25-2015 07:49 PM

Yeah Bayern is dunzo.

pointman 07-25-2015 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1036410)
Yeah Bayern is dunzo.

No doubt. Not even sure that was a Grade 2 field and he couldn't keep up with Appealing Tale.

letswastemoney 07-25-2015 08:14 PM

It was an improvement at least. And Bayern had to duel Appealing Tale.

But, a GI level horse with his resume should outduel Appealing Tale and kick on.

pointman 07-25-2015 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 1036416)
It was an improvement at least. And Bayern had to duel Appealing Tale.

But, a GI level horse with his resume should outduel Appealing Tale and kick on.

An improvement? Was there any other way to go from his last?

letswastemoney 07-25-2015 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1036419)
An improvement? Was there any other way to go from his last?

I guess not.

In his last two races, I thought the presence of Private Zone is what messed him up. It sounds like the track was deep and tiring, and maybe Appealing Tale is a better horse than given credit for.

skyfire 07-25-2015 08:37 PM

Appealing Tale showed heart and guts, beat Bayern fair and square.

RHT2004 07-25-2015 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1036419)
An improvement? Was there any other way to go from his last?

I think he's done. I mean at least he.broke today, so that was a positive. But the 2 outran him fair and square. Then the 6 beats them all. Bayern is a little like Commentator, they both were hit or miss, and needed things to go there way. When things did they both could run monster races.

cakes44 07-26-2015 07:49 AM

List your worst 3 BCC winners from the 2008-2014 group + Cat Thief and Volponi. My list(worst being number 1) is:

1. Drosselmeyer
2. Bayern
3. Volponi

Seattleallstar 07-26-2015 09:04 AM

Bayern is just off form and is no longer same horse, he's hardly the worse BCC winner. He was a legit winner and was a good horse

RolloTomasi 07-26-2015 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1036424)
I think he's done. I mean at least he.broke today, so that was a positive. But the 2 outran him fair and square. Then the 6 beats them all. Bayern is a little like Commentator, they both were hit or miss, and needed things to go there way. When things did they both could run monster races.

Commentator's issue was mostly soundness. Although he could be beaten in a heated duel (like the sub :44 half in the Tom Fool) or when hounded by rabbits (Woodward), he certainly held his own or overcame strong pace setups numbers times.

If you follow his race record, you will note that most of his losses were succeeded by layoffs on average of about 6 months. I believe he had an old shin fracture, and those often limit the number of starts a horse can make in one season, but they tend not to affect a horse's class or ability. Fortunately, he was gelded, so he was often brought back to the races.

Bayern on the other hand, has folded like a cheap suit repeatedly, and more so this year than last. Perhaps whatever held him back from making his 4yo debut this year has also caused him to lose a step (or two).


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