a friend perked my interests
 

my friend says that now that hes retired,, hes going to get into berring rhe ponies a little more,,,
he says he knows the ins and outs of reading the form,,,but knows he needs to improve on information,,,,so ,,towatds the end of talk he asks me,, if i had to pick one thing to really understand about the form,,what would it be?
would it be beyer,,,,or speed,,, or angles,,,whatever

my choice was to understand the condiction of the race,,,,which,, i must admit
i still have trouble with,,
any others that people on here zero in on?

Breeding on the turf with maidens or younger horses

spyder
 

and what do u ,, ur self look for spyder in those maidens on turf
who are the best sires in ur opinion

I think the thing I would say is that there is not one single thing that you can isolate when handicapping a race. If I had to pick one, and this goes along with what you said, I’d take a look at the class of horses that the horse has run against in the past.

i have a hard time with class
 

i just dont get it like others do

After a mere 40 or 50 years, I am still trying to figure this out.:zz::wf

I don't think you can look at just one thing. I try to look at speed, pace, condition, class, connections, etc., but if there is one thing, I think it would be the old racetrack advice that "the pace is the race."

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It is not difficult at all, once you know how to read the Form, to pick out the favorite. Picking out well intentioned price horses though is the key to success IMO. Look at the dates of workouts and races and attempt to determine a horse, they might not display recent impressive running lines, that could be ready to outrun their odds. I seem to actually have more success betting horses I like to place in fields of at least eight entrants.

I did notice you asked about the best turf sires. An easy way to find turf prowess in a maiden field is the look at the Tomlinson turf fig. I would suggest 300 as the number you want to top at a major track. I find that at average tracks the turf training ability of the trainer is of more importance. I'm from a school that believes that generally it is difficult for any horse to win at first asking going two turns in their debut. I really like betting on turf maidens coming off a mediocre race or two, on the dirt, that show a nice Tomlinson turf fig.

great info
 

thank u all

good stuff all around...thanks to the posters :tro: